Instanced Housing. We're angry!

[ICountFrom0]

Apartments.

Nobody's angry but you.

Bullshit.

Lots of us are angry.

And apartments are useless. When you can explain how I can make 100m a month selling onions with an apartment, I'll accept that it's "as good".

[DamianFatale]

I honestly gave up on ever trying to get a house. It triggers my anxiety too much to fight over plots in the way that we have to on Crystal. I'm over it and going to be content with my apartment until a house is actually a lot easier to obtain. Maybe in Ishgard.

[Jojoya]

Bullshit.

Lots of us are angry.

And apartments are useless. When you can explain how I can make 100m a month selling onions with an apartment, I'll accept that it's "as good".

You don't make 100m a month growing Thavnairian Onions from a mansion either. If you ever do get a house and want to grow them without buying any seeds off the MB, I suggest you do your research first.

You might find yourself deciding that buying the seed off the AH and growing it in a flower pot in your apartment was the better option in the first place.

[TheForce]

@OP, gonna reply specifically to your final paragraph. I play on PS4 and had no problem getting my estate. Many others have as well. In fact, every single person in my FC is on PS4 and they have their own houses too. Stop trying to use made-up hyperboles to try and prove a point; unlike you, I won't speak for everybody, but when I read stuff like that, I will NEVER take the post or argument seriously, it's nothing more than a rant littered with personal bias.

[TheForce]

Bullshit.

Lots of us are angry.

And apartments are useless. When you can explain how I can make 100m a month selling onions with an apartment, I'll accept that it's "as good".

You don't understand how this works. The reason why people are able to make that money via T.Onions is because estates are required for them AND the crops that must be intercrossed for them, thus increasing its rarity
& value. If individuals were allowed to grow T. Onions with an apartment, the price would TANK, because there would be a surplus. Supply & Demand.

[Nix]

You don't understand how this works. The reason why people are able to make that money via T.Onions is because estates are required for them AND the crops that must be intercrossed for them, thus increasing its rarity
& value. If individuals were allowed to grow T. Onions with an apartment, the price would TANK, because there would be a surplus. Supply & Demand.

I think you may have missed his point <_>

[TheForce]

I think you may have missed his point <_>

From my understanding, his point was that when it comes to making money from current estate exclusive items, Apartments should also have access to making and selling them, however, as I laid out in my previous response, that's now how it works. If you open the floodgates and allow the creation of these items via apartments, then you won't be making those hundreds of millions anymore, nobody will. A-side from that, I'm all for improving apartments, but it needs to be done in a smart way.

[Nix]

From my understanding, his point was that when it comes to making money from current estate exclusive items, Apartments should also have access to making and selling them, however, as I laid out in my previous response, that's now how it works. If you open the floodgates and allow the creation of these items via apartments, then you won't be making those hundreds of millions anymore, nobody will. A-side from that, I'm all for improving apartments, but it needs to be done in a smart way.

He was arguing against people saying that apartments are a viable option for those who can't get a house because you can't do the same things with an apartment, such as, growing T. onions. via crossbreeding. He never said that apartments should be able to do this, just that they can't, and that's why he doesn't want to settle for one.

[Jojoya]

I think you may have missed his point <_>

He expressed his point very poorly when he uses an exaggeration that can't happen. Thavnairian Onion seeds don't appear on a whim and the onions don't grow overnight.

Not to mention he's perfectly capable of growing the onions himself if he has an apartment. Growing an onion just takes the seed from the MB, a Potting Soil, a flower pot and the ability to log in for 10 consecutive days without fail to tend the plant as it grows.

What he can't do is intercross to get the seed. But if he really wants to grow the seeds himself, it would be nice for him to have the opportunity.

I just hope he understands that it takes 5 days of intercrossing to produce the seeds that then need to intercross for 7 days to produce the Onion seeds.

That those intercrosses are subject to RNG so you might get a different (and usually unwanted) seed than the one you need.

That you'll want to be using Grade 3 Thanalan topsoil or you risk getting no seeds at all (and it's still not a guarantee with the Grade 3 topsoil though I'd say it's about 90% successful).

That you have to log in daily to tend everything while it's growing. Miss logging in for a single day and you're likely to come back to dead plants.

You can shortcut the process a bit by buying the needed seeds from others but most of them are also fairly expensive on the MB because of the time needed to grow and the RNG factor of getting a different type of seed instead. And buying those things cuts into the profit margin if you're planning to grow for profit not personal/FC use.

There's a reason why so few players bother with intercross gardening even if they have a house.

[Nix]

stuff

I understand this, and the difficulty associated with growing them (I grow them via intercrossing - gardening is a hobby of mine ingame). That being said, he still makes a valid point - yes you CAN grow them in an apartment, but only if you acquire the seeds through other means, such as from the markets, which then drastically cuts into any profits obtained.

The argument isn't really about what you can/can't grow, the onions are just an example - but more of an argument against those who say "omg just get an apartment!" as if it's a viable substitute when it lacks the functionality of even a small personal house.