Instanced Housing. We're angry!

[Kenky]

Have you not seen how many complaint threads the housing forum constantly gets and has gotten over the years?

Why yes, I have. But most of the "complaints" fall into two or three categories.

People not reading the fine print of the patch notes and being surprised things aren't how they wanted it.

People upset that housing is for everyone, not just FCs. So they feel that personal house owners shouldn't have the option to own X because it stops them from owning X.

People stating that housing is mandatory content and complaining that they have hurt themselves for trying to get a house, despite it clear as day that it's not mandatory in any regard and they have no real ground to say SE is bad because of their obsessions.

None of these are genuine "complaints" but people screaming into the void about how the game doesn't cater to their specific needs and wants. Once again, proving that nobody truly gives any amount of a care about anyone else but themselves. Something that is rather counter to XIV's main goal of being social and to bring people together. Not put each other at a knife's edge.

There are genuinely some people on this forum that give constructive criticism and actively try to help lessen the burdens this "housing crisis" is causing, but after trying to help people and getting nothing but venom back, I've given up caring. The same old "keep trying, you'll get it eventually!" or the usual "There's communities out there to help you!" just falling on deaf ears. But let's get a few misunderstandings out of the way, since people seem adamant on spreading misinformation.

I do not agree with how Housing is. You can see how many times I've said it's lackluster and needs a fix. This doesn't mean "Any fix" is a solution, however.
I do not tell people to 'get good' in any fashion beyond telling them to keep trying, or to take a break. Once again, the above statements of 'join a community' and 'keep trying, you'll get it' falling on deaf ears.
I do indeed tell people to stop caring about housing, should their argument truly boil down to them just ranting about how they haven't got a house and it's because of X/Y/Z reasons which are just above "Other game is better at this stuff, so XIV should change to do that!" like the OP in this particular thread.

There are definitely issues that need to be resolved, there are certainly things that need to be fixed. But at the present point in time, it's up to the playerbase to actually show they want things to change and go about it in a sensible fashion. Not screaming and tearing into each other, because player A has something player B covets and refuses to do anything but scream about.

[Elamys]

People stating that housing is mandatory content and complaining that they have hurt themselves for trying to get a house, despite it clear as day that it's not mandatory in any regard and they have no real ground to say SE is bad because of their obsessions.

Nobody has ever said housing is mandatory content, so stop making things up.

However, we HAVE said that owning a house is mandatory to access certain content. And it is! Despite your protestations:

- Some form of housing is required to use the chocobo stables. The stables give you the option to color your chocobo, train it with krakka root/thavanairian onion, buff it with other fruits, and I think even rename it. Luckily, the average person can buy an apartment now to do these things, but it is still housing-locked content.
- Some form of interior housing is required to grow flowers which are used to make the various headpieces. Again, we have apartments for this purpose at least.
- A yard is required for all cross breeding. Without a yard, any crafter who needs crossbred items must rely on the market board. This is unusual among crafting items, as for every item I can think of off the top of my head, it's not limited by anything except the crafter's willingness to go get the item.
- A house is required for free companies to access airships and submarines, which provide useful materials used for FC crafting. It also allowed Diadem access with an undersized party, which you could not do from the Ishgard airship landing (unsure of Diadem's status at this point in time or if it'll come back like this in the future).

[Kenky]

Nobody has ever said housing is mandatory content, so stop making things up.

However, we HAVE said that owning a house is mandatory to access certain content. And it is! Despite your protestations:

- Some form of housing is required to use the chocobo stables. The stables give you the option to color your chocobo, train it with krakka root/thavanairian onion, buff it with other fruits, and I think even rename it. Luckily, the average person can buy an apartment now to do these things, but it is still housing-locked content.
- Some form of interior housing is required to grow flowers which are used to make the various headpieces. Again, we have apartments for this purpose at least.
- A yard is required for all cross breeding. Without a yard, any crafter who needs crossbred items must rely on the market board. This is unusual among crafting items, as for every item I can think of off the top of my head, it's not limited by anything except the crafter's willingness to go get the item.
- A house is required for free companies to access airships and submarines, which provide useful materials used for FC crafting. It also allowed Diadem access with an undersized party, which you could not do from the Ishgard airship landing (unsure of Diadem's status at this point in time or if it'll come back like this in the future).

Apologies for the late response, but I feel it kind of needs to be said.

Nobody has ever said housing is mandatory, yet in the same post, say it's mandatory. So how am I making things up, exactly? You just contradicted yourself like a fair few others. But I'm not replying to poke holes.

Please post where any of these are deemed "mandatory" content, because I cannot seem to find anything anywhere that states you MUST feed / train your chocobo, grow flowers or do voyages. All of those are optional systems and yes, you do get rewarded for doing them. But they aren't mandatory, as you don't NEED to do them to progress to the final stages in FFXIV.

The cross-breeding is the only thing that is a system that a house grants you that an apartment doesn't. but to that end, you can also just buy the seeds off the MB, completely ignoring the cross-breeding factor and grow plants in a plant-pot in an apartment. Thus rendering the point mute. The voyages being an FC-only system. So I will concede the housing requirement for that, but still state it's not mandatory.

Nothing is forced upon the player. Infact, now with the addition of "community stables" outside of the apartment buildings, the chocobo feeding / training is a non-point. I do not reply with any hate or antagonistic intent, but more-so out of curiosity as to where this misinformation sprouted from.

[Elamys]

Apartments.

Yeah man, how come he just didn't think about buying an apartment for his FC

[ICountFrom0]

Apartments.

Nobody's angry but you.

Bullshit.

Lots of us are angry.

And apartments are useless. When you can explain how I can make 100m a month selling onions with an apartment, I'll accept that it's "as good".

[Jojoya]

Bullshit.

Lots of us are angry.

And apartments are useless. When you can explain how I can make 100m a month selling onions with an apartment, I'll accept that it's "as good".

You don't make 100m a month growing Thavnairian Onions from a mansion either. If you ever do get a house and want to grow them without buying any seeds off the MB, I suggest you do your research first.

You might find yourself deciding that buying the seed off the AH and growing it in a flower pot in your apartment was the better option in the first place.

[Kenky]

"This other game does housing better, so there's no excuse for FFXIV to suck so bad!"

This defense is so worthless, it's laughable at how often it's brought up. You realize that, out of all those games you have suggested, none of them exist anymore? Or the fact that they're run on an entirely different engine, with entirely different parameters and data-management systems to compliment said engine? I know it's quite hard to fathom, but FFXIV is still running on it's 1.0 engine, just with a fair amount of duct-tape on it.

You like housing in those games? Go play those games then. Simple fix.

As for "just because im not mad means X", I never said the system was perfect. Infact, I am quite on-the-fence with the current system and unable to truly say it's worth the headaches it grants. But everyone continues to ignore the fact that the system was a rushed job to try and stop house-flippers and, until Shadowbringers sudden surge in player-count, it was doing its job just fine. The surge, SE couldn't truly predict and so they have to make quick temporary solutions while a rework is on the docket. Wards 19 - 21 is proof of that.

And white-knighting? For pointing out the issues in your statement? Ok then.

[Mavrias]

Your main problem was being on a crowded server and not prepping a small house in advance so you could try and relocate. You can blame individuals all you want but, its your own fault that you refuse to settle for a small.

[Acelyn]

Your main problem was being on a crowded server and not prepping a small house in advance so you could try and relocate. You can blame individuals all you want but, its your own fault that you refuse to settle for a small.

this is the perfect reply.

i have a medium house in the goblet, beside me is a small cottage and its sole purpose seems to be a rental honestly, players snag it and deck it out but soon as a new ward pops that place is plot again.

there is always a small house available somewhere, just like in real life you have to start somewhere.