Summoner is doing too much in 5.10

[Dahlinea]

This (and variations of the url be it encounter or data set) will be an important link to follow since people keep insisting on wanting to look at the data and if that's to be the case, then people must look at the global scope. In terms of observed metrics, it is early days, currently, this isn't "conclusive" in the manner people want.

From this current chart the only thing I get is that BLM, BRD and NIN are the ones sitting in odd spots. SMN on par with MNK is pretty acceptable considering their contributions and how MNK is doing right now. But if SMN blow up in these charts in the next couple of weeks then it will definitely need adjustments.

But I understand what you're saying about the relative ease with you can get high numbers on SMN right now. If anything the DOTs potency increase was not necessary. It came as a surprise when I first read the patch notes.

[Noctisnine]

From this current chart the only thing I get is that BLM, BRD and NIN are the ones sitting in odd spots. SMN on par with MNK is pretty acceptable considering their contributions and how MNK is doing right now. But if SMN blow up in these charts in the next couple of weeks then it will definitely need adjustments.

But I understand what you're saying about the relative ease with you can get high numbers on SMN right now. If anything the DOTs potency increase was not necessary. It came as a surprise when I first read the patch notes.

Monk is also not doing very well with the anatman nerf, still has 2 useless skills laying there. Dragoon, smn, blm and samurai all do more damage then monk with 99% . I like monk but why would you play monk when you can play dragoon which is cooler and has a much better rotation and character job design? Their way of solving problems is giving us damage, it's very frustrating.

[Shiroe]

There's also the gains from fewer Ruin 2s being used, the better DoT cycle alignment, the better Bahamut window against raid synergy.

It's not about making the changes out to be anything. It's how the numbers are. To claim it's not as big a buff as the numbers dictate, especially given the listed "pure damage gains" (which when combined, add up to a considerable amount), is not being aware of the actual impacts.

Smn is blowing off the charts in most fights (when looking at high %, what players aim at)

Hades Ex:
https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings...049&metric=dps

E4S:
https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statisti...t=99&bracket=2

E3S:
https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statisti...t=99&bracket=2

E1S:
https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statisti...t=99&bracket=2
....

only in E2S, are Sam and Blm ahead of Smn.., otherwise Smn is Top

[Shurrikhan]

Smn is blowing off the charts in most fights (when looking at high %, what players aim at)

Only in E2S, are Sam and Blm ahead of Smn.., otherwise Smn is Top.

Looks like we've gone from tiers of imbalance (wherein jobs are tightly balanced but badly offset from the other tier) to a fairly even job-by-job progression of imbalance... But, I guess that's progress? Sort of?

Will have to see over the next week or so.

[HyoMinPark]

Smn is blowing off the charts in most fights (when looking at high %, what players aim at)

Hades Ex:
https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings...049&metric=dps

E4S:
https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statisti...t=99&bracket=2

E3S:
https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statisti...t=99&bracket=2

E1S:
https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statisti...t=99&bracket=2
....

only in E2S, are Sam and Blm ahead of Smn.., otherwise Smn is Top

How significant can the above sample sizes be? I don’t think they’re adequate enough, and I think it’s disingenuous to use them as hard evidence of where the DPS currently sit.

At this time of looking at them, the only DPS job that has more than 20 uploads on Leviathan is DRG. All other DPS are sitting at ~10 uploads. For Titan, DRG is still the only DPS to break 20 uploads, with most others in the mid-teens. If you look at the statistics for Hades EX, the only jobs listed on there are DRG, NIN, DNC, RDM, MNK, and SAM — with most only having 1 upload. That’s not nearly enough data to make any conclusions.

I’d like to see more uploads to normalize the averages.

[Rika007]

How significant can the above sample sizes be? I don’t think they’re adequate enough, and I think it’s disingenuous to use them as hard evidence of where the DPS currently sit.

At this time of looking at them, the only DPS job that has more than 20 uploads on Leviathan is DRG. All other DPS are sitting at ~10 uploads. For Titan, DRG is still the only DPS to break 20 uploads, with most others in the mid-teens. If you look at the statistics for Hades EX, the only jobs listed on there are DRG, NIN, DNC, RDM, MNK, and SAM — with most only having 1 upload. That’s not nearly enough data to make any conclusions.

I’d like to see more uploads to normalize the averages.

Very important. Sample size is everything.

[Shiroe]

looking at the Hades Ex link from before, there are enouhb uploads from all classes..

Seems as if Smn is becoming the new Blm (4.x allover again..)

Smn should be in the spot light too once in a while..., and will for sure shine during Alexandra Ultimate, if this trend remains..

but it has too much utility & mobility, to hold that top spot for long...

Smn has nomore struggle at all, in very heavy movement fights (and hits hard and has utility / Rez), while Blm still struggles in very heavy movement fights, with zero utility

.. Smn will probably get slight nerf (or Blm slight buff) a patch or two later.., latest when enough casters move back to Smn (from Blm, which wss being overused during the last few patches)

[Shiroe]

looking at the Hades Ex link from before, there are enouhb uploads from all classes..

Seems as if Smn is becoming the new Blm (4.x allover again..)

Smn should be in the spot light too once in a while..., and will for sure shine during Alexandra Ultimate, if this trend remains..

but it has too much utility & mobility, to hold that top spot for long...

Smn has nomore struggle at all, in very heavy movement fights (and hits hard and has utility / Rez), while Blm still struggles in very heavy movement fights, with zero utility

.. Smn will probably get slight nerf (or Blm slight buff) a patch or two later.., latest when enough casters move back to Smn (from Blm, which wss being overused during the last few patches)

when looking at Hades, ment this Link


https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings...049&metric=dps

ofc its "top" dps, but it shows what player strive for and what class will be defined as "Top" dps

(and what dps class will probably have meta spot, with Rdps).., instead of some double Blm, now we might get some double Smn comps?

havent seen that since 4.x.. (Smn seems like, it might become the new Blm this patch)

[Shiroe]

ignore the top Mnk there, he had 2 dancers, buffing his buffs xD

[HyoMinPark]

ignore the top Mnk there, he had 2 dancers, buffing his buffs xD

I linked to the statistics page on Hades EX where these SMN and MNK logs are clearly not showing up. Going off of this page, there’s not nearly enough data to start making conclusions.

As for rDPS, it doesn’t count Standard Finish towards the MNK. That damage goes to the DNCs’ rDPS. MNK rDPS is their personal damage + contribution via Brotherhood to the party - buffs from other party members. aDPS also does not include single target pads like Standard Finish, AST cards, or Dragon Sight. So, saying to ignore that MNK because of a double DNC pad is irrelevant in terms of the values displayed in that list.