Summoner is doing too much in 5.10

**Adventica6** · 11-01-2019 12:24 AM

It's mechanically un-fun, buffing it does not change my enjoyment of it.

I appreciate them trying to help the job but you have to admit, it's a freaking mess.

**Shiroe** · 11-01-2019 01:43 AM

so Smn doesnt need a nerf (its on par with Mnk now, like it should be)

its Blm that needs a buff xD (to be on par with new Sam)

**Shiroe** · 11-01-2019 01:47 AM

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings...049&metric=dps

Smn doing good atm

**Kabooa** · 11-01-2019 01:52 AM

Look at those samurai go!

**Shiroe** · 11-01-2019 01:53 AM

Originally Posted by Shiroe

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings...049&metric=dps

Smn doing good atm

especially in heavy movement fights...

well, Smn should shine a bit
..., won't be suprised if Alexander Ultimate is also "very movement heavy" and Smn might shine again..

like early 4.x Smn, OP again..; trying to get players away from overused Rdm in 4.x over to Smn.., here in 5.x, trying to get players away from Blm (overused) to Smn

but instead of nerfing Smn, a slight buff for others?

(ok, its still early..., but Smn does seem strong)

**Miminming** · 11-01-2019 02:02 AM

Okay this is overdone lmao SMN buffed too much ... my main character is SMN main so im happy but still too much...

**Shiroe** · 11-01-2019 02:28 AM

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statisti...t=99&bracket=2

E4S

Smn shines again...

**Palladiamors** · 11-01-2019 03:45 AM

Its actually not as big a buff as you're making it out to be. Egi assaults are only doing a bit more damage than Ruin 3, which you would have used before in order to pop off your assaults during the GCD, only now you don't have those OGCD's to burn so you're losing out on a bit of damage there. The pure damage gains are coming from the pure potency buffs that don't have caveat's attached to them, like Enkindle, basic attacks for Ifrit and Titan, Ruin 4, TRIDISASTER BEING GIVEN 300 POTENCY, and both DoT's. Then again, we did lose Ruination so...yeah.

Don't get me wrong, summoners have definitely been buffed, just not to world ending proportions.

**Palladiamors** · 11-01-2019 03:47 AM

Originally Posted by Shiroe

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statisti...t=99&bracket=2

E4S

Smn shines again...

...annnddddd incoming nerfs next patch, gotta be. That or we'll see the big two pure DPS get some decent sized potency buffs to make up for this.

**Nemekh** · 11-01-2019 04:00 AM

Originally Posted by Palladiamors

Its actually not as big a buff as you're making it out to be. Egi assaults are only doing a bit more damage than Ruin 3, which you would have used before in order to pop off your assaults during the GCD, only now you don't have those OGCD's to burn so you're losing out on a bit of damage there. The pure damage gains are coming from the pure potency buffs that don't have caveat's attached to them, like Enkindle, basic attacks for Ifrit and Titan, Ruin 4, TRIDISASTER BEING GIVEN 300 POTENCY, and both DoT's. Then again, we did lose Ruination so...yeah.

Don't get me wrong, summoners have definitely been buffed, just not to world ending proportions.

There's also the gains from fewer Ruin 2s being used, the better DoT cycle alignment, the better Bahamut window against raid synergy.

It's not about making the changes out to be anything. It's how the numbers are. To claim it's not as big a buff as the numbers dictate, especially given the listed "pure damage gains" (which when combined, add up to a considerable amount), is not being aware of the actual impacts.

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