If running a parser makes you cynical and depressed, why do it?

[Goji1639]

You never said "some" or specified a certain size of the parser users population either. You just said "they" which is a generalization. Just like someone saying "Casuals ruin this game". I don't need to say "All casuals ruin this game" for someone to understand that I referred to them all.

And now you say "The fact is there are plenty of people who use parsers validate themselves by stepping on people who under-perform". Got anything to back up that claim? Or just an anecdotal again? How did you know that plenty of the users do that?

As for rescue, maybe you didn't say "only" so I'll give you that. But you did state that's what the tool does and what it is, which is clearly a false understanding of the tool that you tried to enforce based on your personal experience.

Got anything to back up your sentiment that most people use parsers correctly, or would that be anecdotal? Obviously neither of us polled the entire consumer base and we're just stating our opinions based on our experiences. This difference between you and me is that I'm secure enough to let you state your opinions without needing to try to discredit them.

I understand this community likes parsers, and I've made myself "the enemy" by taking a position against them. You people do a lot of strawmanning when you feel something you like is being threatened, though; and it's just not very effective.

[Alucard135]

Got anything to back up your sentiment that most people use parsers correctly, or would that be anecdotal? Obviously neither of us polled the entire consumer base and we're just stating our opinions based on our experiences. This difference between you and me is that I'm secure enough to let you state your opinions without needing to try to discredit them.

I've met different kinds of parser users. But I don't have enough data to make such an assumption or to consider my observations as facts as you're doing. See the difference? Maybe you consider it a matter of security to state something even without enough evidence to back it up. But in my case, it's considered a matter of ethics that you do not report something as a fact without any evidence. If you feel the need to state something even without proof just to feel secure, then you shouldn't be taken seriously as I stated in my first response.

Also, why do you think parsers are being threatened? Yoshi P knows people are using them and is OK with them. So I don't see any signs of threats at all. Any player that abuses others with parsers would be reported and actions would be taken against them. But guess what? GMs need evidence, not your personal experience. If you can't provide that, then the GMs won't bother.

[Goji1639]

I've met different kinds of parser users. But I don't have enough data to make such an assumption or to consider my observations as facts as you're doing. See the difference? Maybe you consider it a matter of security to state something even without enough evidence to back it up. But in my case, it's considered a matter of ethics that you do not report something as a fact without any evidence. If you feel the need to state something even without proof just to feel secure, then you shouldn't be taken seriously as I stated in my first response.

Also, why do you think parsers are being threatened? Yoshi P knows people are using them and is OK with them. So I don't see any signs of threats at all. Any player that abuses others with parsers would be reported and actions would be taken against them. But guess what? GMs need evidence, not your personal experience. If you can't provide that, then the GMs won't bother.

I never stated that anything said here was a fact; again, you're just strawmanning so you can maintain an irrational position. I've already stated this is just my opinion.

Also, SE obviously cares about parsers; since even mentioning you use one is grounds for a ban. They're just not actively hunting people down for using them.

[Alucard135]

I never stated that anything said here was a fact; again, you're just strawmanning so you can maintain an irrational position. I've already stated this is just my opinion.

The fact is there are plenty of people who use parsers to validate themselves by stepping on people who under-perform.

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Also, SE obviously cares about parsers; since even mentioning you use one is grounds for a ban. They're just not actively hunting people down for using them.

You don't seem to know that the reason they're not hunting people down for them is because Yoshi P allowed it. The would only take action if you state anything in game because that 's what Yoshi P also stated.

[Goji1639]

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You don't seem to know that the reason they're not hunting people down for them is because Yoshi P allowed it. The would only take action if you state anything in game.

lol, well the "fact" that there's probably at least more than 1 person in this entire game who misuses a parser is kind of just a fact of common observation. Like if you were to say that there are "some" people who use parsers correctly, I could probably accept that statement as factual. A LOT of people play this game, so there's probably "some" that use parsers in every way imaginable.

Also, if SE didn't care about parsers they wouldn't ban people for even mentioning they have one. Parsers aren't legal, that's the reality of their position. They've just decided to take the middle-road in regard to punishing their use.

[Alucard135]

lol, well the "fact" that there's probably at least more than 1 person in this entire game who misuses a parser is kind of just a fact of common observation. Like if you were to say that there are "some" people who use parsers correctly, I could probably accept that statement as factual. A LOT of people play this game, so there's probably "some" that use parsers in every way imaginable.

Now you're learning lol.

Also, if SE didn't care about parsers they wouldn't ban people for even mentioning they have one. Parsers aren't legal, that's the reality of their position. They've just decided to take the middle-road in regard to punishing their use.

And now you're resorting to strawmanning. No where did I say that SE doesn't care about parsers nor did I say parsers are legal. All I said was that Yoshi P is OK with people using them as long as they don't talk about it in-game or abuse others with it, which requires you to prove that they did that in-game. And in that case, they would ban the violating player. So I still don't see the signs of parsers being threatened as you stated earlier.

[Goji1639]

Now you're learning lol.



And now you're resorting to strawmanning. No where did I say that SE doesn't care about parsers nor did I say parsers are legal. All I said was that Yoshi P is OK with people using them as long as they don't talk about it in-game or abuse others with it, which requires you to prove that they did that in-game. And in that case, they would ban the violating player. So I still don't see the signs of parsers being threatened as you stated earlier.

I never disagreed that Yoshi said they're OK if you don't talk about them, but they're still not legal to use. A lot of people want them to be legal, and don't want to see any pushback on their current level of legality. That's why they attack people who have opinions on parsers that could be interpreted as pushback.

[odintius]

You don't seem to know that the reason they're not hunting people down for them is because Yoshi P allowed it.

May allow it but just not enough too officially accept it to the public a middle ground approach when I look at it. /Shrugs not against paser nothing really will change a player performance if they don't care to begin with.