If running a parser makes you cynical and depressed, why do it?

[Vaunhause]

Because it doesn't depress them at all.

They act like seeing someone doing bad numbers is upsetting, but in reality it's validation. I'm guessing they don't get the opportunity to "feel superior" to other people much in real life, so they need this.

Coming from the person who made a thread to ban parser's for pure validation from others, and then shrugging off most reasonable arguments, or people telling you that most people do not use parser's in a bad way, you just went for the confirmation bias of "parser bad", this is sorta rich.

[Raikai]

TBH I wish that XIV had a better way to parse your performance other than that trial thing. Maybe something just for you to see.

[Goji1639]

Coming from the person who made a thread to ban parser's for pure validation from others, and then shrugging off most reasonable arguments, or people telling you that most people do not use parser's in a bad way, you just went for the confirmation bias of "parser bad", this is sorta rich.

I wasn't looking for validation from others, though; I was just stating why I think parsers should be banned. I didn't realize that technically they already were banned, and for the exact reasons I thought they should be.

Also, people responding with their experiences with parsers doesn't dissprove my own. I didn't brush them off, but I'm also not taking them as fact any more than you were willing to take my accounts as fact. I have a feeling that plenty of you would pop up to defend parsers to the death no matter what the context, so I'm not sure how seriously I should take you.

[Rasikko]

I know the enmity list isn't a clear indicator but I figure it's close enough and I gotta tell you being lowest dps innately but sitting at #2 in the list does not feel good, even though it should, not when a much strongest DPS is setting at 3 or #4...for really long periods.

[Alucard135]

I wasn't looking for validation from others, though; I was just stating why I think parsers should be banned. I didn't realize that technically they already were banned, and for the exact reasons I thought they should be.

Also, people responding with their experiences with parsers doesn't dissprove my own. I didn't brush them off, but I'm also not taking them as fact any more than you were willing to take my accounts as fact. I have a feeling that plenty of you would pop up to defend parsers to the death no matter what the context, so I'm not sure how seriously I should take you.

To be honest, you're the one who shouldn't be taken seriously. You already generalized your previous statement as if it's true for all parser users because that's your experience with parser users. So it's quite naturally that you'd see people who had different experience than yours since you already made the fallacy of basing your fact on anecdotal evidence.

This is similar to how you tried so hard to push the idea that rescue is only used to troll people and has no other use, simply because you never dealt with a content that utilizes it on a regular basis.

[Vaunhause]

I wasn't looking for validation from others, though; I was just stating why I think parsers should be banned. I didn't realize that technically they already were banned, and for the exact reasons I thought they should be.

Also, people responding with their experiences with parsers doesn't dissprove my own. I didn't brush them off, but I'm also not taking them as fact any more than you were willing to take my accounts as fact. I have a feeling that plenty of you would pop up to defend parsers to the death no matter what the context, so I'm not sure how seriously I should take you.

Even if you were ignorant to what the rules were, you figured it out real quick on the very first post. What matters is what came after. You had your own experiences, and as others shared theirs, and believed yours, and said "hey, that sucks, but it's generally not that way", you had then disregarded the experiences of others because of your own, because you thought the misusage of the parser deemed it bad enough to damn everyone else. It was validation; nothing else.

And no, the people who didn't believe you don't matter, it's the people that do.

Buuut sure, keep saying that. Yeah, I would defend parser's to the death. Do you know why?

It's the closest thing we got to real streamlined optimization as well as mathing out what need's balancing and what doesn't.

For player's like me, that want to strive to be better, but cannot due to the fact that there's no in game ways for me to know, other than people telling me, but even then. It's an absolute necessity. No, not in dungeons. Yes in Raids, Yes in Ultimate, Yes in Extremes to an extent.

That's how we know, before these new buffs came out, that Dancer is not worth taking in a party, because their rDPS values are low to the point that taking them for their buffs is detrimental. Hense... they need buffs.

I think you can even agree that parser's are useful in many ways, if not necessary. And if you don't, I feel like your judgement is just obviously clouded by the minor misusage of some.



On topic, though, since I actually did want to respond to this eventually.

People not performing optimally doesn't make me cynical or depressed, nor do people playing poorly. Class balance doesn't either.

People not being able to take advice do, either by outright ignoring it, or by harassing the person who has given the advice. I understand why they get offended, or don't respond, but people also gotta understand that some people just wanna help.

Saying stuff like "You should use AOE skills for big pulls, you'll deal a lot more damage" or "If you pull these mobs from the left wall and hide behind here, you can LOS the ranged ones and pack them together" should not be met with hostility.

[Goji1639]

To be honest, you're the one who shouldn't be taken seriously. You already generalized your previous statement as if it's true for all parser users because that's your experience with parser users. So it's quite naturally that you'd see people who had different experience than yours since you already made the fallacy of basing your fact on anecdotal evidence.

This is similar to how you tried so hard to push the idea that rescue is only used to troll people and has no other use, simply because you never dealt with a content that utilizes it on a regular basis.

I never said "every" or "all" users, that's just an assumption you're making to try to create your position here. The fact is there are plenty of people who use parsers to validate themselves by stepping on people who under-perform. We have different opinions and experiences on how many people that is, but it should be obvious without me saying it that I don't know the intentions of absolutely everyone who's ever used a parser in this game.

I also never said that rescue was ONLY used to troll people; again you just added that qualifier to create some kind of strawman to argue. My position there was simply that rescue is a very blatant tool for trolling that doesn't need to exist as it does. Regardless of how many people troll with it, a tool that so easily facilitates trolling probably should be modified in a social game.

[Goji1639]

Even if you were ignorant to what the rules were, you figured it out real quick on the very first post. What matters is what came after. You had your own experiences, and as others shared theirs, and believed yours, and said "hey, that sucks, but it's generally not that way", you had then disregarded the experiences of others because of your own, because you thought the misusage of the parser deemed it bad enough to damn everyone else. It was validation; nothing else.

And no, the people who didn't believe you don't matter, it's the people that do.

Buuut sure, keep saying that. Yeah, I would defend parser's to the death. Do you know why?

It's the closest thing we got to real streamlined optimization as well as mathing out what need's balancing and what doesn't.

For player's like me, that want to strive to be better, but cannot due to the fact that there's no in game ways for me to know, other than people telling me, but even then. It's an absolute necessity. No, not in dungeons. Yes in Raids, Yes in Ultimate, Yes in Extremes to an extent.

That's how we know, before these new buffs came out, that Dancer is not worth taking in a party, because their rDPS values are low to the point that taking them for their buffs is detrimental. Hense... they need buffs.

I think you can even agree that parser's are useful in many ways, if not necessary. And if you don't, I feel like your judgement is just obviously clouded by the minor misusage of some.



On topic, though, since I actually did want to respond to this eventually.

People not performing optimally doesn't make me cynical or depressed, nor do people playing poorly. Class balance doesn't either.

People not being able to take advice do, either by outright ignoring it, or by harassing the person who has given the advice. I understand why they get offended, or don't respond, but people also gotta understand that some people just wanna help.

Saying stuff like "You should use AOE skills for big pulls, you'll deal a lot more damage" or "If you pull these mobs from the left wall and hide behind here, you can LOS the ranged ones and pack them together" should not be met with hostility.

It sounds like your position is exactly what I thought it was. You're just terrified that parsers might end up "more" banned than they are, so you needed my accounts to be invalidated. Thus you, and a few others with similar fears, gave your accounts and got angry when I didn't immediately accept them as fact and recant my own.

The thread beyond my learning and accepting that they're already banned; was just me talking, and in some cases arguing, with people who were seemingly made very insecure by my thread and opinions. Some were calmly stating their own experiences, and I allowed them to do so without me trying to discredit them. Others, like you, were aggressive and hostile, so I argued. Simple as that.

[Vaunhause]

It sounds like your position is exactly what I thought it was. You're just terrified that parsers might end up "more" banned than they are, so you needed my accounts to be invalidated. thus you, and a few others with similar fears, gave your accounts and got angry when I didn't immediately accept them as truth and recant my own.

I was calm and rational in the response I did to your thread, but also defended the parser's. Yeah, I'm angry here, because you're being ridiculous. Just because someone misuses the program, doesn't mean the program is bad. But you can't understand that; rather, you refuse to.
And if you got that out of what I said, my "position", then you are a lost cause. That is a really delusional take.

I'm not terrified of Parser's being banned, because realistically, that's impossible. People will just make new third party software's and bypass it. The only way to go forward from here is to just make it official.

EDIT: Actually, let's twist it a bit.

If in some scenario, the reason that parser's shouldn't be allowed because it ruins the fun for some people, wouldn't it be just as bad to remove parser's because it ruins the fun for a much larger group of people? Perhaps that's something you ought to think about, if your only position is the toxicity of some people, and how it ruins the experiences of some. You would be doing unto them what others did unto you and the people affected by that toxicity.

[Alucard135]

I never said "every" or "all" users, that's just an assumption you're making to try to create your position here. The fact is there are plenty of people who use parsers to validate themselves by stepping on people who under-perform. We have different opinions and experiences on how many people that is, but it should be obvious without me saying it that I don't know the intentions of absolutely everyone who's ever used a parser in this game.

I also never said that rescue was ONLY used to troll people; again you just added that qualifier to create some kind of strawman to argue. My position there was simply that rescue is a very blatant tool for trolling that doesn't need to exist as it does. Regardless of how many people troll with it, a tool that so easily facilitates trolling probably should be modified in a social game.

You never said "some" or specified a certain size of the parser users population either. You just said "they" which is a generalization. Just like someone saying "Casuals ruin this game". I don't need to say "All casuals ruin this game" for someone to understand that I referred to them all.

And now you say "The fact is there are plenty of people who use parsers validate themselves by stepping on people who under-perform". Got anything to back up that claim? Or just an anecdotal again? How did you know that plenty of the users do that?

As for rescue, maybe you didn't say "only" so I'll give you that. But you did state that's what the tool does and what it is, which is clearly a false understanding of the tool that you tried to enforce based on your personal experience.