If running a parser makes you cynical and depressed, why do it?

[Alucard135]

I wasn't looking for validation from others, though; I was just stating why I think parsers should be banned. I didn't realize that technically they already were banned, and for the exact reasons I thought they should be.

Also, people responding with their experiences with parsers doesn't dissprove my own. I didn't brush them off, but I'm also not taking them as fact any more than you were willing to take my accounts as fact. I have a feeling that plenty of you would pop up to defend parsers to the death no matter what the context, so I'm not sure how seriously I should take you.

To be honest, you're the one who shouldn't be taken seriously. You already generalized your previous statement as if it's true for all parser users because that's your experience with parser users. So it's quite naturally that you'd see people who had different experience than yours since you already made the fallacy of basing your fact on anecdotal evidence.

This is similar to how you tried so hard to push the idea that rescue is only used to troll people and has no other use, simply because you never dealt with a content that utilizes it on a regular basis.

[Goji1639]

To be honest, you're the one who shouldn't be taken seriously. You already generalized your previous statement as if it's true for all parser users because that's your experience with parser users. So it's quite naturally that you'd see people who had different experience than yours since you already made the fallacy of basing your fact on anecdotal evidence.

This is similar to how you tried so hard to push the idea that rescue is only used to troll people and has no other use, simply because you never dealt with a content that utilizes it on a regular basis.

I never said "every" or "all" users, that's just an assumption you're making to try to create your position here. The fact is there are plenty of people who use parsers to validate themselves by stepping on people who under-perform. We have different opinions and experiences on how many people that is, but it should be obvious without me saying it that I don't know the intentions of absolutely everyone who's ever used a parser in this game.

I also never said that rescue was ONLY used to troll people; again you just added that qualifier to create some kind of strawman to argue. My position there was simply that rescue is a very blatant tool for trolling that doesn't need to exist as it does. Regardless of how many people troll with it, a tool that so easily facilitates trolling probably should be modified in a social game.

[Alucard135]

I never said "every" or "all" users, that's just an assumption you're making to try to create your position here. The fact is there are plenty of people who use parsers to validate themselves by stepping on people who under-perform. We have different opinions and experiences on how many people that is, but it should be obvious without me saying it that I don't know the intentions of absolutely everyone who's ever used a parser in this game.

I also never said that rescue was ONLY used to troll people; again you just added that qualifier to create some kind of strawman to argue. My position there was simply that rescue is a very blatant tool for trolling that doesn't need to exist as it does. Regardless of how many people troll with it, a tool that so easily facilitates trolling probably should be modified in a social game.

You never said "some" or specified a certain size of the parser users population either. You just said "they" which is a generalization. Just like someone saying "Casuals ruin this game". I don't need to say "All casuals ruin this game" for someone to understand that I referred to them all.

And now you say "The fact is there are plenty of people who use parsers validate themselves by stepping on people who under-perform". Got anything to back up that claim? Or just an anecdotal again? How did you know that plenty of the users do that?

As for rescue, maybe you didn't say "only" so I'll give you that. But you did state that's what the tool does and what it is, which is clearly a false understanding of the tool that you tried to enforce based on your personal experience.

[Goji1639]

You never said "some" or specified a certain size of the parser users population either. You just said "they" which is a generalization. Just like someone saying "Casuals ruin this game". I don't need to say "All casuals ruin this game" for someone to understand that I referred to them all.

And now you say "The fact is there are plenty of people who use parsers validate themselves by stepping on people who under-perform". Got anything to back up that claim? Or just an anecdotal again? How did you know that plenty of the users do that?

As for rescue, maybe you didn't say "only" so I'll give you that. But you did state that's what the tool does and what it is, which is clearly a false understanding of the tool that you tried to enforce based on your personal experience.

Got anything to back up your sentiment that most people use parsers correctly, or would that be anecdotal? Obviously neither of us polled the entire consumer base and we're just stating our opinions based on our experiences. This difference between you and me is that I'm secure enough to let you state your opinions without needing to try to discredit them.

I understand this community likes parsers, and I've made myself "the enemy" by taking a position against them. You people do a lot of strawmanning when you feel something you like is being threatened, though; and it's just not very effective.

[Alucard135]

Got anything to back up your sentiment that most people use parsers correctly, or would that be anecdotal? Obviously neither of us polled the entire consumer base and we're just stating our opinions based on our experiences. This difference between you and me is that I'm secure enough to let you state your opinions without needing to try to discredit them.

I've met different kinds of parser users. But I don't have enough data to make such an assumption or to consider my observations as facts as you're doing. See the difference? Maybe you consider it a matter of security to state something even without enough evidence to back it up. But in my case, it's considered a matter of ethics that you do not report something as a fact without any evidence. If you feel the need to state something even without proof just to feel secure, then you shouldn't be taken seriously as I stated in my first response.

Also, why do you think parsers are being threatened? Yoshi P knows people are using them and is OK with them. So I don't see any signs of threats at all. Any player that abuses others with parsers would be reported and actions would be taken against them. But guess what? GMs need evidence, not your personal experience. If you can't provide that, then the GMs won't bother.

[Goji1639]

I've met different kinds of parser users. But I don't have enough data to make such an assumption or to consider my observations as facts as you're doing. See the difference? Maybe you consider it a matter of security to state something even without enough evidence to back it up. But in my case, it's considered a matter of ethics that you do not report something as a fact without any evidence. If you feel the need to state something even without proof just to feel secure, then you shouldn't be taken seriously as I stated in my first response.

Also, why do you think parsers are being threatened? Yoshi P knows people are using them and is OK with them. So I don't see any signs of threats at all. Any player that abuses others with parsers would be reported and actions would be taken against them. But guess what? GMs need evidence, not your personal experience. If you can't provide that, then the GMs won't bother.

I never stated that anything said here was a fact; again, you're just strawmanning so you can maintain an irrational position. I've already stated this is just my opinion.

Also, SE obviously cares about parsers; since even mentioning you use one is grounds for a ban. They're just not actively hunting people down for using them.

[Alucard135]

I never stated that anything said here was a fact; again, you're just strawmanning so you can maintain an irrational position. I've already stated this is just my opinion.

The fact is there are plenty of people who use parsers to validate themselves by stepping on people who under-perform.

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Also, SE obviously cares about parsers; since even mentioning you use one is grounds for a ban. They're just not actively hunting people down for using them.

You don't seem to know that the reason they're not hunting people down for them is because Yoshi P allowed it. The would only take action if you state anything in game because that 's what Yoshi P also stated.