Patch 5.1, the good and the bad

[Renkei]

Drg damage output isn't as high as you think MCH deals more damage up to 85% percentile and has half the skill ceiling. This isn't a huge potency increase these skills are once every 30 seconds to a minute whole all mchs buffs are 60 potency flat across their normal combo.

[Tex_Mex]

Drg damage output isn't as high as you think MCH deals more damage up to 85% percentile and has half the skill ceiling. This isn't a huge potency increase these skills are once every 30 seconds to a minute whole all mchs buffs are 60 potency flat across their normal combo.

Are you talking about rDPS or pDPS? Because I would expect that DRG rDPS is quite a bit better due to Dragon Sight and Battle Litany.

[Sora_Oathkeeper]

Drg damage output isn't as high as you think MCH deals more damage up to 85% percentile and has half the skill ceiling. This isn't a huge potency increase these skills are once every 30 seconds to a minute whole all mchs buffs are 60 potency flat across their normal combo.

I think you're misinformed. I just checked the site that shouldn't be named and DRG is infront of MCH by roughly 1000~ DPS. DRG raid contribution is around 500-600. Still putting it ahead of MCH.

[Renkei]

I'm not misinformed you purely are you need to look at all percentiles add them up and then you'll receive an average. With that average you'll see that up to 80 percentile drgs get out damaged. The skill ceiling for drg is about 3800 while the skill ceiling for mch is 2400. I've ran meta data in my old posts going through 1-99 percentile so don't start claiming I'm misinformed. You haven't even bothered to look at averages and instead just looked at the top. The differenc is 458 aDps and 542 rdps which ads up to 1k in total, that's hardly anything considering mch isn't ranged limited and doesn't have positional requirements. Mch is skill ceiling limited that isn't misinformation it's the truth, that's why their damage caps out you rangers need to stop picking on drg it doesn't even share gear with any other class. BRD and MCH are being power creeped hard by dancer. Drg isn't the problem here, and mch just got buffed so your adps will end up being the same anyways.

If you wanna out damage melee they should bring casting back to ranged DPS.

[Rika007]

If you wanna out damage melee they should bring casting back to ranged DPS.

Sure. We can do that the moment they start reintroducing fights that actually force a Melee to struggle to keep up time and miss positionals. Except we know that was going to happen because melee players rightly voiced their concerns about it over and over again for the better part of 6 years. The idea that ranged have this massive advantage over melee in terms of uptime started falling apart in Stormblood, and has truly died in Shadowbringers. The only fight that even slightly punishes melee optimization is Eden prime, which is nothing to the insanity that Melee used to have to deal with in 2.X and 3.X.

[Straynge]

Sure. We can do that the moment they start reintroducing fights that actually force a Melee to struggle to keep up time and miss positionals. Except we know that was going to happen because melee players rightly voiced their concerns about it over and over again for the better part of 6 years. The idea that ranged have this massive advantage over melee in terms of uptime started falling apart in Stormblood, and has truly died in Shadowbringers. The only fight that even slightly punishes melee optimization is Eden prime, which is nothing to the insanity that Melee used to have to deal with in 2.X and 3.X.

After playing a bard and watching the pure insanity that a lot of melee had to go through for so long I really don't care if they do more damage. I'd rather be sitting WAY back and always be in the right position at the right time. It just makes it so much easier. They can have the damage while I'll keep my peace of mind lol. I tried playing melee back in the day and ran right back to my bard lol. It's probably much better now but I love my Bard so it's what I use in all raids/dungeons. I don't mind solo'ing melee classes but for party content I'll stick to my Bard.

[SaberMaxwell]

I'm not misinformed you purely are you need to look at all percentiles add them up and then you'll receive an average.

Added them up from the current Titan savage parse rDPS rankings, here's what I got:
DRG/MCH
Total Parses: 10,334 / 5,095

Max: 14,455.74 / 13,326.50
UpQ: 13,948.63 / 12,958.20
Med: 13,433.82 / 12,530.70
LoQ: 12,805.13 / 11,941.67
Min: 12,131.46 / 11,309.80

Range: 2,324.28 / 2,016.7

Average: 13,354.954 / 12,413.37

Not sure how I glean from that that DRGs are outdamaged in any way (in fact I see the opposite: MCH is outclassed at every single percentile). When looking at averages, unsurprisingly the job with the higher parses in every single category has the higher average than its competitor, although I fail to see what else I could glean from here, I did it to humor you.

I also don't see what equations you had to use to calculate a skill ceiling. I'm not sure what metadata you're referencing; metadata on your Official Forum posts? Metadata on your FFLogs uploads? I'm not sure what information that would provide you either.

You're adding aDPS and rDPS together which itself makes no sense since one is pDPS+takeDPS-tetherDPS and the other is pDPS+giveDPS-takeDPS. Looking at the rDPS differentials, they range from ~1,100 at the top to ~800 at the bottom. This is rDPS by the way, or total party contribution: a Machinist is worth 800-1,100 less DPS to the party than a Dragoon. That's not insignificant, and it leads to issues of composition rigidity. There's almost no reason to ever veer away from 2m/1c/1r in the optimal composition in 5.05; in fact, the only reason there is would be 2m/2BLM, locking all of the other ranged DPS out.

You're going to have to lay out your math completely bare if you want to convince anyone of your position, because the statistics as I see them do not agree with you.