Thread: Patch 5.1, the good and the bad

This is just my opinion of course, but I would like to hear from others on what they think about the changes coming tomorrow.

DRG (4/10): DRG got some small damage buffs, and a nice QoL change with Blood of the Dragon. These changes feel a bit unnecessary to me, considering how strong DRG is right now anyways. I feel like DRG was probably the best balanced class of them all, but we'll see how everything balances out in the next couple weeks.

NIN (8/10): NIN is getting a massive rework, the class ping reliance seems to be dropping and the DPS gain from TA is getting nerfed, but the class looks to be getting some major personal DPS increases to compensate. This is probably the change I am the most excited about. My NIN is already at 80, and I'm looking forward to gearing it more.

MNK (2/10): MNK got a nerf to Mantra, which was definitely warranted, but then got an odd change to Anatman. I have toyed a bit with MNK, but will not likely be picking it up again for a while.

SAM: (7/10): SAM looks like it is finally getting the damage output it deserves, considering it has absolutely no utility. Looking forward to the changes and the new actions.

BRD: (5/10): Overall, I'm happy with the more party focused buffs that BRD is getting back. The class definitely does not feel like it has enough support; however, it is clear that Square is really scared to make it too strong, since they nerfed the personal damage to compensate.

MCN: (8/10): This is the second class I'm most excited about. The buffs the MCN look really good and are definitely needed so that it can take the high DPS, no support spot for ranged DPS

DNC: (9/10): A million people are leveling DNC right now in anticipation of the DPS buffs. They are getting massive buffs and it's a good thing too, because they were woefully underpowered. Get ready to see a lot of them in your parties.

SMN: No comment because I am not familiar enough with the class to make a judgement.

RDM: (7/10): This is another class that desperately needed some DPS buffs, and it looks like they are getting them. It's hard to tell if it will be enough, or if they will still be at the bottom of the barrel because of the utility tax that is always so heavy on the class.

BLM: (7/10): Nothing but a QoL increase here, and I like it. BLM is in arguably the best place it ever has been in the game's history. Don't mess up a good thing! I'm glad they didn't nerf BLM, and are choosing to elevate other DPS instead.


Patch Overall (7/10): I'm really pleased with the vast majority of the changes to DPS classes! Not everything is perfect and a couple of things are questionable, but I haven't been this excited about the game since 5.0 launched!

I'm very excited for NIN for the sole reason that it will finally become playable for me with the mudra changes! Horray... And Ten Chi Jin change is also pretty neat!

BRD... I'm very happy with buffs being brought back. There's one minor change I'm waiting for a - long - time though, and I keep thinking that is an issue just for me: Bloodletter animation is way too long, I know in numbers this doesn't mean anything, but visually it feels like you're lagging. They should speed up that a bunch.

Drg damage output isn't as high as you think MCH deals more damage up to 85% percentile and has half the skill ceiling. This isn't a huge potency increase these skills are once every 30 seconds to a minute whole all mchs buffs are 60 potency flat across their normal combo.

Originally Posted by Renkei

Drg damage output isn't as high as you think MCH deals more damage up to 85% percentile and has half the skill ceiling. This isn't a huge potency increase these skills are once every 30 seconds to a minute whole all mchs buffs are 60 potency flat across their normal combo.

Are you talking about rDPS or pDPS? Because I would expect that DRG rDPS is quite a bit better due to Dragon Sight and Battle Litany.

Speaking about the RDM changes, just the buffs to our Verspells, Jolt, and C6 alone basically halve the gap between us and BLM. Not to mention the rotational impact from the new Acceleration and the massive Reprise buff, which might be an even bigger boost.

Originally Posted by Renkei

Drg damage output isn't as high as you think MCH deals more damage up to 85% percentile and has half the skill ceiling. This isn't a huge potency increase these skills are once every 30 seconds to a minute whole all mchs buffs are 60 potency flat across their normal combo.

I think you're misinformed. I just checked the site that shouldn't be named and DRG is infront of MCH by roughly 1000~ DPS. DRG raid contribution is around 500-600. Still putting it ahead of MCH.

Originally Posted by SpeckledBurd

The Anatman change is intended to prevent Monk from using it during the opener. Not only is it looking like it will be unsuccessful and only make its use in the opener less but the change as intended basically leaves Anatman with no uses outside of extremely niche uses.

On a job that's already got a ton of skills that only have extreme niche uses it's pretty bad.

It's a shame that monk isn't samurai... then when you get your one niche skill, everyone would whine to the point that Square completely changes it between the X.0 and the X.1 patch into something that's part of your normal damage rotation.... -_-

Originally Posted by Renkei

If you wanna out damage melee they should bring casting back to ranged DPS.

Sure. We can do that the moment they start reintroducing fights that actually force a Melee to struggle to keep up time and miss positionals. Except we know that was going to happen because melee players rightly voiced their concerns about it over and over again for the better part of 6 years. The idea that ranged have this massive advantage over melee in terms of uptime started falling apart in Stormblood, and has truly died in Shadowbringers. The only fight that even slightly punishes melee optimization is Eden prime, which is nothing to the insanity that Melee used to have to deal with in 2.X and 3.X.