How would they even make another healer job though?

[Mimilu]

For 7 years I am hoping for another healing-class nobody mentioned yet. I'd like to play the ... (just looking for the name in english, because I just played the game in german) the alchemist.

Alchemist is already a crafting class in the English version.
Most people who want Alchemist use the name Chemist (which is the more widely used name in English FFs).

[Kogekigami]

i'd love a chemist/apoc type healer. it could work similar to ninjas mundras/dancers dances and also do debuffs to the enemy and buffs to parties depending on what combos it uses.

though im just loving the image of the healer mid savage crafting while crumbling about lack of tank cooldowns and greedy dps making them restock XD

[Endariel]

Chemist with a grenade launcher full of flasks

[Kazrah]

Think of it this way, does SCH have a large heal or an AoE heal they can spam should the need arise. They do not, the only heal they can spam, realistically is Physick, their basic heal.

Here's a better way of thinking it: are you playing Scholar correctly? Based off of that one single comment and how you're trying to make that super hard comparison, you clearly don't. That's okay though since most players don't, specifically since it requires breaking the mentality that all heals are reactive (they aren't).

In emergency situations requiring heavy healing, Scholar can still theoretically spam cast Adloquium and still get the effective healing for both the heal and the shield or shields (which again, both Galvanize and Catalyze are still heals) that enemies have to eat through to keep lowering someone's HP, while occasionally using Emergency Tactics for an extra oomph of raw health.

That being said, I use the word "theoretically" for that because that's not how Scholar works. First off, absorption healing is preemptive, so heals like Adloquium and Excogitation are dropped down before hand, and much of mastering that comes from knowing the fight. For proper heavy healing like harder tankbusters and the "pop quiz" healing check of the Cidolfus fight in Orbonne Monastery, Scholar has the Aetherflow heals (since Excogitation is an empowered Lustrate if the ally is under half health), Emergency Tactics for either Adloquium or Succor, and faerie skills that include its Illumination buff for more healing ability, its HoT ability, and Seraph's Consolation and increased healing. Yes, you could argue "but what if those are all on cooldown", you could just as easily ask the same of other healers in similar circumstances.

Ultimately, whether it's raw HP restored or an amount of shielding, an enemy still needs to eat their way through it to kill a player. That's why they're considered healing regardless of player perception, and it's all based on how it's used. Scholar's a great example of something devs are good at: making massive differences by tweaking one or two little things. By saying "let's tweak a heal so half of it is preemptive in the form of absorb shield", the playstyle becomes wildly different compared to other healers, requiring a different approach to how someone plays that healer compared to others. That's why I know that Scholar's not a healer for everyone, and why you have healers split between those who prefer the preemptive style Scholar and those who prefer the more reactive style of White Mage.

Going back to the original topic though, I do thank you for the comment on the healer boilerplate. Just because Scholar gives the quasi-illusion of being an outlier doesn't mean that it doesn't follow it like the next healer likely will.

[Eloah]

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You know what, I can't anymore. You aren't being rude or mean, and I thank you for that. But if you haven't grasped what I've been saying by now, explaining it further wont help. I'm not sure how I can make things any clearer though. I mean, you aren't even refuting what I said, so it's a bit confusing.

To defend myself however, I do know how to play SCH, been playing since I started back in 2.3. That's why I've been saying/trying to explain why they don't have an equivalent heal to the likes of Cure II/Benefic II or Medica/Helios. There is no way to say otherwise, it is just a fact of the job.

I mean a Physick II has been a request before. But, why would SCH want a Physick II if they already had a skill equal to Cure II/Benefic II.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

That's because they do have it. It's called Adloquium. Effectively 675 potency (25 shy of Cure 2 and Benefic 2) and costs 1000 MP - same as the aforementioned spells. Same with Succor, though the MP values and potency fluctuate slightly between the 3 spells.

Also I've never seen anyone requesting a Physick 2. Probably because Adlo already does that intended function.

[Eloah]

That's because they do have it. It's called Adloquium. Effectively 675 potency (25 shy of Cure 2 and Benefic 2) and costs 1000 MP - same as the aforementioned spells. Same with Succor, though the MP values and potency fluctuate slightly between the 3 spells.

Also I've never seen anyone requesting a Physick 2. Probably because Adlo already does that intended function.

I can't, I just can't.

Adloquium isn't the large heal, it's the "special heal" as Kazrah, stated, or the "gimmick heal" as others might call it. It's also the reason why Aspected Benefic's MP cost increases to match Adlo's while under Nocturnal Sect.

Let's put it this way, maybe then it'll makes sense. SCH has no large heal, without a gimmick attached(shield/HoT), that is on the GCD. The same can be said of an AoE heal, without a gimmick attached, that is on the GCD.

EDIT: So while discussing this with a coworker, I was reminded of something. The whole reason Emergency Tactics even exists, is because SCH doesn't have their own versions of Cure II/Benefic II and Medica/Helios. SE even said something similar to this when Heavensward was coming out. Something about them needing more options for pure heals. So now it's not just me who "thinks" this, it's something from SE themselves.

But I can't keep trying to explain this. I'm done. As long as the skill heal who cares.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Because it doesn't need one. Shields aren't just any gimmick. They're virtually indistinguishable from actual restored HP, with only a very minor amount of attacks that bypass them, usually reserved for enrages and dps check fails. Meanwhile regens do deserve their own category, because they can't be used the same and unless their effect has already expired, you don't have their full restored HP available at any given moment (unlike shields where the whole restored amount is available as soon as the spell takes effect)

SE even gave it the same MP cost as the other two "non-gimmick GCD single target heals", and basically the same potency (not even factoring in Critlos and Recitation). As for Emergency Tactics, its main use is mostly to heal before attacks that would take too long for the shields to stay up and a few aforementioned shield bypassing attacks who aren't of the duty fail kind. There's no reason to ET an Adlo just to simulate a Cure II, when most of time, its normal way of healing is suitable enough.

I find it ironic that you have mentioned spells that overlap in terms of category, but Adlo is not allowed to because reasons? Why can't it be both the large ST heal and the gimmick ST heal?

(Same applies to Succor ofc)

[Eloah]

Because it doesn't need one. Shields aren't just any gimmick. They're virtually indistinguishable from actual restored HP, with only a very minor amount of attacks that bypass them, usually reserved for enrages and dps check fails. Meanwhile regens do deserve their own category, because they can't be used the same and unless their effect has already expired, you don't have their full restored HP available at any given moment (unlike shields where the whole restored amount is available as soon as the spell takes effect)

SE even gave it the same MP cost as the other two "non-gimmick GCD single target heals", and basically the same potency (not even factoring in Critlos and Recitation). As for Emergency Tactics, its main use is mostly to heal before attacks that would take too long for the shields to stay up and a few aforementioned shield bypassing attacks who aren't of the duty fail kind. There's no reason to ET an Adlo just to simulate a Cure II, when most of time, its normal way of healing is suitable enough.

I find it ironic that you have mentioned spells that overlap in terms of category, but Adlo is not allowed to because reasons? Why can't it be both the large ST heal and the gimmick ST heal?

(Same applies to Succor ofc)

The fact that your opening line is literally "because it doesn't need one" indicates that you admit SCH doesn't have those two heals I mentioned.

As for the rest of your response. You reiterated everything I've been saying from my very first response. While SCH doesn't have a true equivalent to Cure II/Benefic II or Medica/Helios, Adlo and Succor can and do, while under ET, fill that role, but if you were to categorize them, they would fall under the gimmick/special heals, not a large or AoE heal.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

The fact that your opening line is literally "because it doesn't need one" indicates that you admit SCH doesn't have those two heals I mentioned.

As for the rest of your response. You reiterated everything I've been saying from my very first response. While SCH doesn't have a true equivalent to Cure II/Benefic II or Medica/Helios, Adlo and Succor can and do, while under ET, fill that role, but if you were to categorize them, they would fall under the gimmick/special heals, not a large or AoE heal.

I would categorize it as both large and gimmick heal. Like you said, there are several skills/spells that overlap more than one category. Don't see why you acknowledge those but suddenly pretend Adlo can't too. And again, categories don't matter if in practice, Adlo does the same as Cure 2 and Bene 2, having the same potency and MP cost.