How would they even make another healer job though?

[JohnSpawnVFX]

That's because they do have it. It's called Adloquium. Effectively 675 potency (25 shy of Cure 2 and Benefic 2) and costs 1000 MP - same as the aforementioned spells. Same with Succor, though the MP values and potency fluctuate slightly between the 3 spells.

Also I've never seen anyone requesting a Physick 2. Probably because Adlo already does that intended function.

[Eloah]

That's because they do have it. It's called Adloquium. Effectively 675 potency (25 shy of Cure 2 and Benefic 2) and costs 1000 MP - same as the aforementioned spells. Same with Succor, though the MP values and potency fluctuate slightly between the 3 spells.

Also I've never seen anyone requesting a Physick 2. Probably because Adlo already does that intended function.

I can't, I just can't.

Adloquium isn't the large heal, it's the "special heal" as Kazrah, stated, or the "gimmick heal" as others might call it. It's also the reason why Aspected Benefic's MP cost increases to match Adlo's while under Nocturnal Sect.

Let's put it this way, maybe then it'll makes sense. SCH has no large heal, without a gimmick attached(shield/HoT), that is on the GCD. The same can be said of an AoE heal, without a gimmick attached, that is on the GCD.

EDIT: So while discussing this with a coworker, I was reminded of something. The whole reason Emergency Tactics even exists, is because SCH doesn't have their own versions of Cure II/Benefic II and Medica/Helios. SE even said something similar to this when Heavensward was coming out. Something about them needing more options for pure heals. So now it's not just me who "thinks" this, it's something from SE themselves.

But I can't keep trying to explain this. I'm done. As long as the skill heal who cares.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Because it doesn't need one. Shields aren't just any gimmick. They're virtually indistinguishable from actual restored HP, with only a very minor amount of attacks that bypass them, usually reserved for enrages and dps check fails. Meanwhile regens do deserve their own category, because they can't be used the same and unless their effect has already expired, you don't have their full restored HP available at any given moment (unlike shields where the whole restored amount is available as soon as the spell takes effect)

SE even gave it the same MP cost as the other two "non-gimmick GCD single target heals", and basically the same potency (not even factoring in Critlos and Recitation). As for Emergency Tactics, its main use is mostly to heal before attacks that would take too long for the shields to stay up and a few aforementioned shield bypassing attacks who aren't of the duty fail kind. There's no reason to ET an Adlo just to simulate a Cure II, when most of time, its normal way of healing is suitable enough.

I find it ironic that you have mentioned spells that overlap in terms of category, but Adlo is not allowed to because reasons? Why can't it be both the large ST heal and the gimmick ST heal?

(Same applies to Succor ofc)

[Eloah]

Because it doesn't need one. Shields aren't just any gimmick. They're virtually indistinguishable from actual restored HP, with only a very minor amount of attacks that bypass them, usually reserved for enrages and dps check fails. Meanwhile regens do deserve their own category, because they can't be used the same and unless their effect has already expired, you don't have their full restored HP available at any given moment (unlike shields where the whole restored amount is available as soon as the spell takes effect)

SE even gave it the same MP cost as the other two "non-gimmick GCD single target heals", and basically the same potency (not even factoring in Critlos and Recitation). As for Emergency Tactics, its main use is mostly to heal before attacks that would take too long for the shields to stay up and a few aforementioned shield bypassing attacks who aren't of the duty fail kind. There's no reason to ET an Adlo just to simulate a Cure II, when most of time, its normal way of healing is suitable enough.

I find it ironic that you have mentioned spells that overlap in terms of category, but Adlo is not allowed to because reasons? Why can't it be both the large ST heal and the gimmick ST heal?

(Same applies to Succor ofc)

The fact that your opening line is literally "because it doesn't need one" indicates that you admit SCH doesn't have those two heals I mentioned.

As for the rest of your response. You reiterated everything I've been saying from my very first response. While SCH doesn't have a true equivalent to Cure II/Benefic II or Medica/Helios, Adlo and Succor can and do, while under ET, fill that role, but if you were to categorize them, they would fall under the gimmick/special heals, not a large or AoE heal.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

The fact that your opening line is literally "because it doesn't need one" indicates that you admit SCH doesn't have those two heals I mentioned.

As for the rest of your response. You reiterated everything I've been saying from my very first response. While SCH doesn't have a true equivalent to Cure II/Benefic II or Medica/Helios, Adlo and Succor can and do, while under ET, fill that role, but if you were to categorize them, they would fall under the gimmick/special heals, not a large or AoE heal.

I would categorize it as both large and gimmick heal. Like you said, there are several skills/spells that overlap more than one category. Don't see why you acknowledge those but suddenly pretend Adlo can't too. And again, categories don't matter if in practice, Adlo does the same as Cure 2 and Bene 2, having the same potency and MP cost.

[Eloah]

I would categorize it as both large and gimmick heal. Like you said, there are several skills/spells that overlap more than one category. Don't see why you acknowledge those but suddenly pretend Adlo can't too. And again, categories don't matter if in practice, Adlo does the same as Cure 2 and Bene 2, having the same potency and MP cost.

Fine, let's just end this horror.

(Bangs head on desk)