A good old boyish cott

[Maeka]

I get that some people are... angry about, I don't know, something?

I dunno. I have my WHM on 80 and it works just fine in the stuff I run (non-Savage), so I'm content.

I haven't really seen that many problems with my SCH and AST which are 69-71 either.

Then what about those that DO enjoy complexity on their healer? Should they be left to rot? I don't think 1 healer being a simple to pick up healer is an issue at all, but for those who want complexity in what they do as a healer, and don't want to give themselves carpal tunnel (looking at you AST), they have nowhere to go. This is where compromise comes in, maybe if they do make a 4th healer best expac, which I have my doubts, but if they do, then have 2 simple to pick up healers and 2 complex ones, but it's not fair to us, right now, that do enjoy complexity that we're forced to either not play the role we enjoy,or forced to just deal with not liking it because they ALL have to be simple.

Maybe if people would stop mistreating healers who are somewhat lesser-skilled, who can't handle the increased complexity, who keep people alive, but do less-than-optimal DPS to achieve that, then maybe people like the person you quoted wouldn't mind an extra DoT button, or an extra DPS button.

But even when you're doing Duty Finder, or you post on these forums that you don't do Savage, you still get people in your face going "YOU'RE NOT CLIPPING oGCDs! LOOK AT THOSE DPS SPELLS YOU MISSED! YOU MISSED A GCD BECAUSE YOU WERE 0.5s LATE WITH THAT CAST!" like it's top percentile you're supposed to be chasing in Duty Finder.

The elitist crowd only have themselves to blame.

I, too, don't think healers need to be any more complex with DPS. DPS should be a secondary task to keeping people alive. We are healers who can throw a little DPS, not DPS who throw a little heals. If you want the latter, go play RDM.

[Billythepancake]

I get that some people are... angry about, I don't know, something?

I dunno. I have my WHM on 80 and it works just fine in the stuff I run (non-Savage), so I'm content.

I haven't really seen that many problems with my SCH and AST which are 69-71 either.

The issues aren't with viability. I run Savage on SCH and it does its job fine enough, my issue is that doing that job is boring because 80% of the time you're doing the same thing of spamming the 1 nuke over and over and over again. It feels like punishment because I chose to get better at my lads instead of coasting along because now I actively have less to do.

[Maeka]

The issues aren't with viability. I run Savage on SCH and it does its job fine enough, my issue is that doing that job is boring because 80% of the time you're doing the same thing of spamming the 1 nuke over and over and over again. It feels like punishment because I chose to get better at my lads instead of coasting along because now I actively have less to do.

Not our fault some people need constant stimulation or they get bored in the span of 5-10 seconds.

TBH, I'll be playing healers until another game does it better.

Which isn't likely. And even if it happens I'll still play 14 for the story. But in the meantime, Shadowbringers is not worse than Stormblood.

I dunno some people claim they like WoW healing.

...... /bleck.

[Billythepancake]

Not our fault some people need constant stimulation or they get bored in the span of 5-10 seconds.

I play video games to be engaged. If I wanted to sit around and do nothing, I'd watch a movie.

[Maeka]

I play video games to be engaged. If I wanted to sit around and do nothing, I'd watch a movie.

...but yet you call AST "carpal tunnel inducing", lol.

Which is it, you want to be doing things constantly, or you don't.

Honestly, you people don't seem like you can make up your mind.

[CrimsonGunner]

...but yet you call AST "carpal tunnel inducing", lol.

Which is it, you want to be doing things constantly, or you don't.

Honestly, you people don't seem like you can make up your mind.

you know its because the new AST system isn't controller friendly and not because its complex right?(its probably why they are reducing minor arcana actions to apply lord/lady right away)

if you want more details ,from what i read it is because of how sleeve draw works and not because of how "complex" the system is,so i guess thats what he meant by "carpal tunnel inducing",but if you need more explanations maybe someone who plays with a controller can give better then me

[Maeka]

you know its because the new AST system isn't controller friendly and not because its complex right?

if you want more details ,from what i read it is because of how sleeve draw works and not because of how "complex" the system is,so i guess thats what he meant by "carpal tunnel inducing"

I wouldn't know; I use a keyboard and mouse. *shrug*

[Billythepancake]

...but yet you call AST "carpal tunnel inducing", lol.

Which is it, you want to be doing things constantly, or you don't.

Honestly, you people don't seem like you can make up your mind.

I want to do things that do not require me to have to get 4 cards out within 4 GCDs on top of weaving in a possible Earthly star. There is a medium between having way too much to do and having almost nothing to do, it is not one or the other.

[Rhais]

But even when you're doing Duty Finder, or you post on these forums that you don't do Savage, you still get people in your face going "YOU'RE NOT CLIPPING oGCDs! LOOK AT THOSE DPS SPELLS YOU MISSED! YOU MISSED A GCD BECAUSE YOU WERE 0.5s LATE WITH THAT CAST!" like it's top percentile you're supposed to be chasing in Duty Finder.

This just isn't true at all though, this kind of thing never gets said in dungeons, people aren't going around telling healers they need to be in the top percentile in everything they do.
What does happen is sometimes people will say throw some damage out because otherwise you are doing nothing since rate of damage is so low little actual healing is needed. Help the party instead of standing there watching or healing a tank that is at 95% HP. Though most cases it may be noted but nothing ends up being said.
Things really only get said when healers try to justify doing nothing when healing isn't required, when there really is no justification for it.

[Maeka]

This just isn't true at all though, this kind of thing never gets said in dungeons, people aren't going around telling healers they need to be in the top percentile in everything they do.
What does happen is sometimes people will say throw some damage out because otherwise you are doing nothing since rate of damage is so low little actual healing is needed. Help the party instead of standing there watching or healing a tank that is at 95% HP. Though most cases it may be noted but nothing ends up being said.
Things really only get said when healers try to justify doing nothing when healing isn't required, when there really is no justification for it.

No, but I have seen that kind of thing said on forums when I share gameplay footage, asking for some "general suggestions" when I specify I am NOT looking for Optimization, but rather more "beginner's" suggestions. Always get the Elitist crowd who talks about doing things to try to push that 1% DPS like I'm on tryouts for Savage Raiding.

I have seen in groups where people would sometimes scoff at not enough DPS, though. I wasn't doing zero DPS, but I will admit at the time, things were dying too fast for me to bother with Aero III (this was back in Stormblood). "Why no Aero III?" "Because the mobs die in less than 10 seconds?" *shrug*