How would they even make another healer job though?

[Maero]

I have never been a healer main and wanted a healer this expansion.
Also i do not care if players will disagree with what i am about to say but we do not need dps EVERY expansion, we had enough to last that we could go without for 1 or 2 expansions like seriously.
Yes yes bring on that dps are seperated by physical ranged and bleh bleh
2X the excuse was used that they needed to balance healers, next expansion they will use something else i am sure if they add just dps

[Eloah]

While I would love to see Salve-maker in XIV, as it was a favorite of mine in Bravely Default, sadly we might not see it. The main reason I say this is primarily because we have to remember AST started out as the Chemist job, wielding a gun, but because the system didn't turn out to their liking, it was reworked as AST. Don't get me wrong, as far as a next healer job is concerned Chemist/Salve-maker makes the most sense, but just curious what they would need to do to fix the system they initially deemed "unusable".

[Jandor]

I knew there would be confusion unless I explained further, was hoping that wouldn't be the case, but meh.

That's a rather pretentious way to start a reply...

[Saefinn]

I have never been a healer main and wanted a healer this expansion.
Also i do not care if players will disagree with what i am about to say but we do not need dps EVERY expansion, we had enough to last that we could go without for 1 or 2 expansions like seriously.
Yes yes bring on that dps are seperated by physical ranged and bleh bleh
2X the excuse was used that they needed to balance healers, next expansion they will use something else i am sure if they add just dps

No, I agree, whilst DPS are categorised, those categories all have the same role and same focus, to consider them as separate roles is arbitrary. As much as I love my ranged physical DNC and believed they'd have ruined it if they made it into a healer. I don't think "we need another ranged physical instead" is a good reason. "we are struggling with healers and don't know what to do with them" however, is.

Whilst some may try to argue something like DNC is a support role and that makes it different, it's support is to still push the DPS of the group. Each DPS I kinda balanced around how much selfish DPS they do and how much they benefit the party DPS. And how they do this is not categorised, which I think is fine. MCH is the selfish DPS version of ranged physical, and SAM is the melee one and BLM is the mage one. Whereas RDM, NIN and DNC kinda are less on the selfish side.

[Eloah]

That's a rather pretentious way to start a reply...

I wont lie that it could be viewed as pretentious, though that was not my intent. I merely mean it that I knew if I didn't explain, there was going to be confusion regarding the skills. At that moment however, I didn't have the time to explain, and was hoping that inference would kick in, which it did not. If anything, it is my fault for not elaborating in my first post.

What I said still stands however. SCH does not have a "large heal" or an "AoE heal" as it was put. I prefer to call them a second tier single target heal and a first tier AoE heal, but that's just me however.

[RyuDragnier]

While I would love to see Salve-maker in XIV, as it was a favorite of mine in Bravely Default, sadly we might not see it. The main reason I say this is primarily because we have to remember AST started out as the Chemist job, wielding a gun, but because the system didn't turn out to their liking, it was reworked as AST. Don't get me wrong, as far as a next healer job is concerned Chemist/Salve-maker makes the most sense, but just curious what they would need to do to fix the system they initially deemed "unusable".

Make the Mix system work like the mudras so certain combinations do certain things, and "lock" each button after using it once in order to prevent failed mixes.

[Rufalus]

Re: comparisons to other roles it's not as easy to do, like DPS jobs which can have any tempo you want in apm and how often they have a burst window. The healers need on demand burst single target heal and aoe heal to keep party up in all situations. Too much of the healer role buttons are predetermined by the fight design which makes it supremely difficult to create one which is both unique and also balanced enough to be interchangable in any fight with the other healer jobs.

Clearly a lot of people are passionate about needing a 4th healer and that's why they should do it. But just imagine creating something so air-tight that people don't complain about it post-release as much as they are already complaining about the absence of one. I think the complaints are just going to shift to oh this new job is either too homogeneous or too unbalanced. The fine line between those two states where healers are concerned is maybe so fine as to not even exist.

[Eloah]

Make the Mix system work like the mudras so certain combinations do certain things, and "lock" each button after using it once in order to prevent failed mixes.

See, that's what I think, and when I even was making a concept, that is what I went with as well. But, one would think, that was the system they initially had as well, but we can't say for certain. But maybe with the revamped Mudras system there is hope. My guess is that it would work like the dances in that we'd have two commands to use, Mix for heals and Compounding for attacks.

[hynaku]

Pretty sure they showed in one of live video's art work of maybe a forth healer. Was a picture of female in light armor holding a hammer and shield. Makes me think of a cleric or templar based healer. Didn't old final fantasy games healers used hammers and flails as weapons other than just a staff.

[Crushnight]

Pretty sure they showed in one of live video's art work of maybe a forth healer. Was a picture of female in light armor holding a hammer and shield. Makes me think of a cleric or templar based healer. Didn't old final fantasy games healers used hammers and flails as weapons other than just a staff.

That was Gaia

the 2nd boss of Eden

atm it is all theory crafting for what she will be doing but she could be war due to them getting a dwarven hammer