SMN 5.1 Job adjustments

[Grimoire-M]

If it's just this, then it is not iron jaws single target and only applies for the dots spread to targets around the source used for Bane. What this does mean is that it will be really good for 2 target situations and even more targets provided you can infer which spread target has the 100% strength DoTs to bane again off of.

However, we do not know if Bane's CD will remain as is and the snapshotting will need to be tested thoroughly.

Bane already applies the 60% reduced potency to all targets beyond the first, and the duration reset only affected them as well, so I doubt it'll be used in the manner you describe here. It's still more DPS to just time the reapplications of the original set of DoTs with new applications of Tri-Disaster or hardcast Bio/Miasma. It would need the iron jaws effect to be worth attempting at all, and I suspect they'd make that reapplication work in the same way as the rest to save on dev time, meaning it'd have the same 60% reduction and full duration reset, and therefore not be worthwhile compared to hardcasting on 2 targets provided enough time was available for full ticks.

[Nemekh]

By beyond the first, it's the first additional target spread to, not the source being the first. Bane is Source, 100%, 40%, 40%, 40%... 40% up to the 15th additional target beyond the source. This was something verified on release. On 2 targets it absolutely will be a consideration. Hard casting a set is already such a huge cost because of how strong our GCDs are vs ticks and Miasma on hit damage.

[ShadowNyx3]

The flexibility of movement that should come from these changes is something to be really happy about. While there may be less buttons to press, I can see high-level play involving a sort of mini-game to never have to use a Ruin II cast by always having Ruin IV stacks available, especially during the tail-end of Bahamut's duration.

I do question with all of these instant casts the longterm future of Dreadwyrm Trance though. With this change, DWT feels wholly redundant as simply an instant cast buff since the assaults will be able to help weave Energy Drain and Fester and the goal is already to try to end DWT as fast as possible anyway. It seems like something too big for them to try and mess with during this expansion but I definitely see the Dreadwyrm and Bahamut portion of the rotation becoming the thing they can't ignore when answering job complaints moving forward.

[SWB]

I'm really hoping that they're improving the command prompt of the Egi assaults so they go off instantly as any other gcd would, because as mentioned by another poster earlier in the thread (sorry cant link as I'm on mobile) weaving enkindle and devotion as well as waiting for ruin 4 procs will be awkward and messy

[SWB]

Also I'm okay with these changes as long as egi response is addressed and egi assaults are at least on par with ruin 3 potencies

[Rika007]

I'm sure many will be pleased with these adjustments but personally I feel these changes were quite tone deaf towards what many of the summoner communities were looking for. It seems like all they heard was "Summoner is too busy, just lessen the amount of buttons they have to press by putting egi-assaults on the GCD." The only big improvements I see with these changes is a bit more increased mobility, which is certainly a net positive, and that this will certainly lessen the carpal tunnel complaints.

But it still doesn't address the multitude of complaints that so many of us has had. It doesn't address the consistent pet and summon ghosting issue that has plagued the job since it's inception. It doesn't address the rigidity of the rotation after Stormblood being so free flowing after making aetherflow a targeting attack. It doesn't fix how disjointed the kit feels where half the mechanics of the job do not have any affect on the other. It doesn't address how awkward Dreadwyrm Trance feels to use (heck if anything it makes it feel even more pointless then before). It doesn't address any of the problems with Devotion not activating or missing out on many party members. It doesn't address demi Summons still having to follow us around like lost puppy dogs when every summoner and their grandmother and their grandmothers cat have been asking them to make them stationary since they were added in 4.0.

Now I'm ranting and I try to make my feedback far more constructive. Basically all this is, is a band-aid. It makes a frantic mess of a job a playable mess of a job. It feels like what they did for MCH last expansion, where they make at least the job playable and worth the work you put in, and a minority of players may still enjoy it, but in the end the entire job needs a top down rework. I hope that means they put the same thoroughness and care into reworking SMN as they did MCH.

[Haxaan]

It'll beinteresting to see how these changes actually feel. I do agree with Rika on a lot of her points though and feel like this is just a band-aid to cover up a biiger underlying issue. Summoner since it's inception this XIV has been a bit wonky, never quite feeling right. Yes it's been fun to play but it has never really given us that "Summoner" feeling properly. With the implimentation of Demi Primals it feels like we are beginning to get that feeling, however slowly. I feel like the Demi Primal rotations are going to become the new staple of the SMN rotation with egi's playing less of an upfront roll and dots and procs being there to fill the gaps between phases. I love Summoner and I am very interested to see where it goes, but for now I await the 5.1 changes to see if it makes the job feel better. The current SMN model, while fun, feels so frantic and I hope this helps to tone that down a bit.

[dinnertime]

But it still doesn't address the multitude of complaints that so many of us has had.

It would be nice if they gradually fix those things in the new patches but knowing how they handled things before, I think we'll have to wait until the next expansion for them to fix the 'major' issues.

Honestly SMN never needed a rework to begin with, just simple QoLs like the Bane rework and instant-applying DoTs. They should've worked on the issues like the pet response and Demi behavior that's been complained about for 2 years. I really hope they revert some things back like what they did to bowmage, especially Aetherflow.

[Shurrikhan]

I'm sure many will be pleased with these adjustments but personally I feel these changes were quite tone deaf towards what many of the summoner communities were looking for. It seems like all they heard was "Summoner is too busy, just lessen the amount of buttons they have to press by putting egi-assaults on the GCD."

"Slower is better. Let's move all abilities onto the GCD!" - No one.
*A sudden moment of auditory clarity* - Devs

*Egi Ruin and Dancerja follow accordingly.*

[Nemekh]

EAs being moved to the GCD was one of our expected changes over at The Balance. The EAs will be replacing other GCDs in the rotation while being 4 cpm/min less. It achieves their intended goal of reducing how busy the job presently is. It's certainly a boon for higher ping players who do not have to clip as severely. Things are being addressed one step at a time.