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  1. #24571
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    DumdogsWorld's Avatar
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    W'kohrahx Tia
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Dragoon Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Awful View Post
    Had an Amurot as a healer where the RDM and tank would spam heals whenever they took any kind of dmg.

    Took an AoE? Vercure. At 80%? Clemency. I took any kind of dmg? Vercure + Clemency.

    I ended up just letting them heal as me and my BLM friend just DPS'd the run took forever to complete even after I told them you'll be fine just DPS, I just don't get why people feel the need to spam heal yourself when you're in 0 danger of dying. Worst part is they said nothing the whole run despite us begging for them to stop healing sigh.
    For tanks, I don't get it. Tanks are always the center of attention for the healer. As a DPS, though, I don't always trust the healer to notice my guts hanging out while they're fixated on the tank. If my health drops below 30%-ish in a dungeon, I pop Life Surge, Second Wind, and Bloodbath. If it's a trial and I know a highly damaging mechanic is coming up, I'll pop them at 50%.
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  2. #24572
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    Awful's Avatar
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    Awful Name
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    Faerie
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld View Post
    For tanks, I don't get it. Tanks are always the center of attention for the healer. As a DPS, though, I don't always trust the healer to notice my guts hanging out while they're fixated on the tank. If my health drops below 30%-ish in a dungeon, I pop Life Surge, Second Wind, and Bloodbath. If it's a trial and I know a highly damaging mechanic is coming up, I'll pop them at 50%.
    I rarely find myself healing myself as a DPS, there have been a few times as a melee i'm like "well I should use Second Wind and Bloodbath" but I can't remember the last time a healer let me die when I was at 30% hp dungeons don't warrant any kind of panic even expert ones. Never hurts to be prepared though.
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  3. #24573
    Player
    Mahoukenshi's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Character
    Altina Schwarzer
    World
    Twintania
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 80
    Had this early afternoon a Praetorium run that started with Player 1 complaining about how he hates sifting through the cutscenes and just wants to skip them, multiple times during the first couple of minutes during the (smooth) run. After a while their smartness went together with another player (both from the same server, and maybe FC or at least seemed to be familar with the other) in standby mode because they decided it would be wise idea to discuss in party chat how and when to skip the cutscenes by the known bug/exploit or whatever it's classified of disconnecting and reconnecting. There has been enough pages of discussion about amount of reward in relation to unskippable cutscenes and whether using that "feature" is legit/good/bad/to be promoted etc, so I won't go further, but jeeze, way to be subtle about it *lol*.
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    Just a proud bad-skilked player

  4. #24574
    Player
    Ursa_Vonfiebryd's Avatar
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    Ul'dah
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    Character
    Ursa Nightrain
    World
    Mateus
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Anira-chu View Post
    Is "being RDM" suddenly some sort of a condition of being a "bad DPS"?
    I keep getting RDMs in roulettes that just don't AoE, stand around and watch birds or whatever and just... don't do their job? One even tried to convince me they were just standing around, because the "adds dies too fast for their casting" and it "takes time to target something else" or something along that way.
    And the other rdm (and this one was in Akadaemia Anyder) was literally standing in EVERY BAD POSSIBLE. like you got the feeling it was rather a bot, even if they responded to a question, still...
    In all fairness, when picking up RDM after this last expac, I didn't realize what the two new tiers of aero and thunder were and it took a few plays to realize they were fleshed out aoe spells. That said, hard casting and/or no aoe by level 80 is....eh. Are there redmage jump potions now because that sounds like that might be a thing?
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  5. #24575
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    Lilseph's Avatar
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    Character
    Shadow Link
    World
    Mateus
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Awful View Post
    I rarely find myself healing myself as a DPS, there have been a few times as a melee i'm like "well I should use Second Wind and Bloodbath" but I can't remember the last time a healer let me die when I was at 30% hp dungeons don't warrant any kind of panic even expert ones. Never hurts to be prepared though.
    I started playing melee recently and bloodbath/second wind is my response to one of my "oopsies" as a form of apology or if the healers are underperforming to the point they would let me die. OR if the tank isn't using any cds keeping the healer busy and I'm for some reason taking damage (unavoidable damage, an oopsie, tank not holding aggro, tank cleaving party members, etc).

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    EDIT: I almost forgot about my story last night.

    I am finishing DRG and I queued up for NM Raids. I get a 1-min in-progress A9. I'm a bit confused, but probably someone thought it wasn't their cup of tea and left. We arrive to the Faust and we wait for the last healer (I have no idea how many people left but we were only lacking that when I joined). The healer said it's ok, we should pull. We wipe. So I advice the tanks to stack together to share Faust's cleave. Then we clear. I ask who's gonna take care of the bombs and I get corrected because semantics. "They are called power cores". Same thing. Whatever.

    So we start the fight, and one of the mentor tanks goes ahead and pull. It's a trainwreck. While I advice that no one but the asignated person should deal with the POWER CORES, someone thought it was a good idea to help out and revived the first pack, feeding the Refurbisher. This happens twice, as the second pack had half the adds alive by the time the lava ate 'em. The damage becomes a pain in the rear, Faust drops, no one has aggro on it. The MNK brings it to the lava, it explodes and we wipe.

    One of the mentors is anxious, and the other mentor asks who doesn't know the fight. Mentor A starts saying that they should watch a vid, while Mentor B the other says they have the right to experience the content on their own. There's a back and forth between both of them... while I'm there explaining the power cores, the the rocks, where to place Faust and that we should all DPS the adds once they are placed in the right quadrant. As I was in mid-explanation, asking if people had questions, the GCBTW Mentor tank pulls without any idea of where to face the boss.

    Kind of a trainwreck, but newbies picked some of my explanations up so it was matter of enduring the ongoing back and forth between both Mentors. Even if they weren't wearing the crown, they should have the decency of making sure everyone was on the same boat before starting the fight. We killed it that pull, and everyone bolted asap once the cutscene was over.

    While I didn't get any commendations, I am glad I could help the newbies as the people that should that were too busy fightning with each other.
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    Last edited by Lilseph; 10-19-2019 at 05:52 AM.

  6. #24576
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    Aosha's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Character
    Aosha Koz'ain
    World
    Odin
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Rasikko View Post
    RDM has quite a longstanding reputation for having bad players in DF.

    My personal favorite is the Jolt Mage. However I read that someone ran into a Hardcast Mage, that is, not using Jolt at all, but hard casting only Veraero and Verthunder.

    Edit: I reckon this job gets comms rather easily because good ones are so rare, but I can't really confirm that through experience since I haven't touched it in months.
    Oh, not just a Hardcast Mage. The first ~half a year of the job existing that was literally a third of all Red Mages I saw. Most of them French.
    Have only seen 2 or 3 since then though.

    On another note, I seem to keep ending up in in-prog-parties in all my roulettes where a healer is missing when I join (leveling DPS currently, done with T&H). Almost a daily occurrence in the last week. Odd.
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  7. #24577
    Player Mhaeric's Avatar
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    Mhaeric Llystrom
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 97
    Quote Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld View Post
    If my health drops below 30%-ish in a dungeon, I pop Life Surge, Second Wind, and Bloodbath. If it's a trial and I know a highly damaging mechanic is coming up, I'll pop them at 50%.
    All of those skills you listed are oGCD heals that don't impact your dps in any way. RDM Vercure removes a full GCD worth of damage every time it is used. The only time I ever use Vercure is if I know that there is an incoming damage headed my way and I won't survive without it, during a boss jump to prepare the dualcast proc, or if the healer died and I need to take over healing while they're in the rezz animation.
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  8. #24578
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    ReviaInfantry's Avatar
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    Revia Pedites
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    Faerie
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Lilseph View Post

    Some oddly familiar run, until I read throughly.
    I kind of thinking we are in the same party, but after reading through, kinda nope. Here's my version of A9N:

    Well, as a MSQ rusher who never did ARR Coil, HW Alex, SB Ivalice and most of the post-MSQ content, I am kind of lacking in that department. Now doing Alexander due to Anima Sharpened Grinding.

    I queue for A9N as MNK, went it, Say "first timer" and found out we start with 4 ppl. I thought A9 is a light dungeon or something, until someone point out the other 4 are leaving the raid since no mogtomb gain.

    After mob clearing,got rekted by 1st Faust due to no tank sharing cleave. Thats where others came in. Then smooth fight until boss.

    The boss rekt people once (power core and Faust stuff), then someone asked who first timer. I replied. Then watch a passion debate between 2 fellas (no idea Mentor or not) of "go watch a 4 yr guide" vs "don't spoil people first time" etc etc. And yes, one person (DRG) did the explanation, with my conclusion of "kill adds", "kill Faust after lured to marked corner", "hide behind rocks".

    The thing that differentiate the run between the previous guy quoted above is that this run everyone is kind of prepared before the fight is initiated, at least from my POV. Also I think they did pre-asign roles even on the first time, just not as detailed compared to later attempts.

    Now don't get me wrong, I did checked the videos, but I don't have a great memory to memorized everything. What I only get out from the vid is kill adds, the rest is from muscle memory.

    Side note: I am tempted to use "you don't pay my sub" to increase drama during debate, but Sharpened Anima comes first.
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  9. #24579
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    Lammas's Avatar
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    Combo Lammas
    World
    Omega
    Main Class
    Fisher Lv 100
    Ran leveling roulette as NIN. Landed in Dohn Mheg and get a tank and dnc from the same server. Someone, I'm assuming the tank, marks all the buffing fuaths as target to attack. That's it. They don't actually interrupt them and neither does the dancer so all Watering Wheel buffs go to mobs. During the last fuath with the 2 treants he once again marks the fuath as a target to attack and then proceeds to not even hold hate on the trees. I'm obviously ignoring this non-sense and AOEing and soon I have a new best friend that wants to hug me. The dancer stands in double AOEs, dies and proclaims "alright then, I'll start dodging" like he was somehow entitled to not doing that. During some of the last mobs I notice them standing far away from the mobs. Whether they were single targetting or spamming their AOE out of its range I couldn't say. How do you know to prioritize the fuath but not why and what you're supposed to do to them? How do you not understand that trying not to stand in avoidable AOEs is something anyone should do. It's, like, below the baseline basic.
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  10. #24580
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    SenorPatty's Avatar
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    Character
    Vice Shark
    World
    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Samurai Lv 100
    Leveling NIN in Doma Castle. Get a new person as co dps, Returning tank and AST healer. co-dps and tank are doing everything proper. I look over the AST and see her only casting heals and jumping around during downtime.

    "Aww, this poor healer" I think to myself. "My heart goes to you. I get it: you're bored, aren't you? And SE leaving you with only two-three dps spells in your arsenal? I totally get it. Let me help you liven this run up for you."

    And so, yours truly decides to help the healer's pure healing gameplay out by staying in every. telegraphed. and visual. attacks.

    You gotta help those pure-healing, jumping healers out. They're so bored out of their minds that no one's taking dmg but somehow forbidden to touch their dps tools that you gotta give them a hand and take damage.

    If you're reading this AST, I hope I gave you a good time :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    Healing DRK is literally... the same since ShB. The reason why people think it's a meme to heal nowadays because DRK receives very little to no buff to their sustainability vs 3 other tanks getting something useful. If you're capable of healing DRK back in ShB (or any tanks), then you'll heal EW DRK just fine.

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