Samurai - Kaiten Issue

[Kabooa]

All that I would be cool with, and have requested since 4.0.

I do, however, hate when people use "button bloat" and "ability bloat" interchangeably, as seems too often the case across threads like this one. "Let's remove Seigan (as an unnecessarily separate key)!" quickly becomes just "Let's remove Seigan!"

I'm 100% okay with removing Seigan. It's not interesting enough on its own. "I'm Shinten but stronger!" isn't a great identity to carve for itself.

Maybe if it worked like foresight slash in MHW, we'd be cookin'. Turn Seigan into a weaponskill that refreshes Buff durations by about 10s or so and counts as a combo progressor for any of the finishers?

Gimmegimmegimmegimme.

[Shurrikhan]

I'm 100% okay with removing Seigan. It's not interesting enough on its own. "I'm Shinten but stronger!" isn't a great identity to carve for itself.

Maybe if it worked like foresight slash in MHW, we'd be cookin'. Turn Seigan into a weaponskill that refreshes Buff durations by about 10s or so and counts as a combo progressor for any of the finishers?

Gimmegimmegimmegimme.

Agreed on replacement (or, ofc, consolidation) -- not so much on outright removal. We have little enough even going on in SAM's toolkit, if we just got rid of the button- (not ability-) bloat.

Nit-pick: We can't use it as a combo-progresser over Step-2, since the paths diverge at and only at that point, and I'd expect it'd rather... off... if usable only two-thirds of GCDs as a dynamic flow skill. Moreover, refreshing 10 seconds as often as every 15 seconds would mean our already kind of absurdly long durations would then be extended from 40 seconds to, effectively, nearly 2 minutes.