Dear SE, please never again put irregular tomestones into Frontline

[Chiami]

I think you are overthinking it a little..

When people SAY in chat they are throwing a match... I am not overthinking their behavior. They admitted it themselves. Just as someone else here also already reported the same being witnessed, with people discussing and admitting they are throwing the match.

If you (or anyone else) haven't seen it happening yet, good for you. If it doesn't happen as often on other datacenters, also good. But after hours and entire evenings in Frontline on Crystal I have seen behavior like that way too much since the event started, besides just the ongoing general problem of too many people not caring about wins at all since they get their roulette wolfmarks anyway, simply being bad at PvP, most good PvPers on Crystal having switched to Maelstrom, whatever.

[Gula]

I'm finally able to reasonably get the furniture and items I'd been lusting for since they released. I'll take my slew of 2nd places thank you because I can be back in in less than 5 minutes.

[KageTokage]

You are giving bad advice to your alliance, you don't want to ignore ice, but winning fights makes a very big difference. You can often make up the point deficit if your alliance gets cut off from a big ice by wiping out the other teams as they try to retreat after it is gone, or give your alliance an even larger lead if you get to the ice at the same time for example. Passive play is not a good strategy.

I learned how painfully true this is when Flames won today with basically nothing but straight kills due to seemingly having multiple premades on their team for today's game. The game was over before a second large ice could even spawn because of how badly that were dominating everyone (They had a 1000 point lead over both Adders and Maelstrom at the end...).

I honestly think player kills are weighted a bit too heavily for a mode that's supposed to be placing an emphasis on objectives.

[Crit]

I learned how painfully true this is when Flames won today with basically nothing but straight kills due to seemingly having multiple premades on their team for today's game. The game was over before a second large ice could even spawn because of how badly that were dominating everyone (They had a 1000 point lead over both Adders and Maelstrom at the end...).

I honestly think player kills are weighted a bit too heavily for a mode that's supposed to be placing an emphasis on objectives.

And in another thread within this same week someone said how meaningless kills are in all modes and how objectives are always more important


You nerds need to make up your minds or realize that everything is dependent on what the team working as a unit aims to achieve

No need to second guess the value of kills over objectives, the team is just mechanically better, probably full of feasters or FL heroes, don't question the system and its mechanics, fight the premades back and outplay them, simple as that

[legione]

Well before this event my immortals showed some flash of their former glory ,we are already back to the usual clueless mob.
At least i hope some will stick around enough to learn how fl works but it didnt happen before ,and i dont see any reasons to believe otherwise.

bb

[KageTokage]

No need to second guess the value of kills over objectives, the team is just mechanically better, probably full of feasters or FL heroes, don't question the system and its mechanics, fight the premades back and outplay them, simple as that

I tried to tell my team that they needed to pinch the Flames while they were going after adders...but they just opted to just try to wait for ice to spawn which inevitably led to the Flames coming over and steamrolling them even harder due to the battle highs they had accumulated.

There's really not much you can do to prevent eight actually organized players from melting anything they target within a GCD or two, so you're basically just left to pray your own party is smart enough to do the same...though the inconsistent party composition of randoms doesn't really help with that, either, as these gank squad premades tend to be made mostly of ranged DPS.

I suppose the ideal "solution" is to just find a premade of my own somewhere.

[Noitems]

I've been running with Mael specifically because the only other people who would listen to callouts (and offer within reason) I've been with are Adders, and even then there's always those people who just want to give up and throw theirselves at Mael just because.

Let me tell you on Mael's end, the situations that can happen are FAR more annoying because it's full of people who do nothing and expect to be carried. I had a Seize match earlier before the reset yesterday and there was a healer in my party standing on their mount in the spawn zone behind a fence, and did the autorun into the fence so they wouldn't get booted. Or you get people who can't read callouts on where to go, hit flames base and provoke them, then are surprised pikachu face when a majority of mael chases them back to us where we are currently fighting adders.

I've told people in chat "DO NOT GO MID" and then posted a coord for where we should be going over on Beaches. People still decided to go to mid and got totally pinched and when I called them out on it someone said "Well why didn't you post it".

Mael may win a lot that's a proven fact in numbers alone, but out of those wins 4/10 of them are like herding cats that just want to sleep all day, it's frustrating. The other 6/10 is just callouts, planning, pinching, and picking battles.

[Araxes]

... and of course anyone who isn't Mael (where all the good PvPers are on Crystal, see previous posts done by several people on the issue)

Well, on Light we build premades mostly of top 100's and then specificly focus Mael exactly for that reason. Its fun and i recommend it to you.

[TheForce]

Tomestones in pvp are fine.

It's just that losing offers no reprocussion to your gain.

if there's a 33% chance of winning, winning shoulder offer like, 8, second should be 4 and losing should be 2.

Other regulars to the mode shouldn't have to suffer because people don't take it serious and want to lose as soon as possible.

Nah 8 is way too much. 5 should definitely be the cap, and then just have it go down from there.

[RenoKreuz]

yea just like in normal objective based PVP, win team fights = win objective. You cannot ignore PVP. The problem is the majority of player base is so bad at PVP it's laughable. I swear there are DPS who have not set their skills from pvp profile thinking why do my skills not work??