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    Dzian's Avatar
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    Scarlett Dzian
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krotoan View Post
    A sense of accomplishment is different than something only having value because someone else doesn't have it and can't get it. Earning it through skill and perseverance is fine, but then demanding that people who weren't around at the time for whatever reason cannot ever earn it or that after a certain amount of time relaxing those criteria so that others may get a chance to enjoy whatever the reward is even if they lack skill or time is , I feel, the epitome of selfish.
    Really? Selfish?

    The thing is I don't think many players who do ex primals or even the most hard core raiders have ever cleared a piece of content got a shiny mount, minion, title, or whatever. and then turned around and said NO ONE else is allowed this.... All many of them ask is that if you want to get said shiny you should take on the samechallenges they did to get it. That's not selfish at all that's fundamental andbasic fairness. these players wouldn't care less if literally everyone had that same shiny if they all overcame the same challenge to get it. hell many of them would actually be happy about it because it would obviously mean the average skill level of the playerbase was a dam site higher. which might then make things like raid finder or duty finder pugs more approachable.

    The selfishness or entitlement comes from players who "pay the same sub" and thus demand the same shinys. nerf that content, make it easier because i want that shiny other people have and i'm to lazy to actually go and get it.. these people are the epitome of selfish because it is there personal sense of entitlement that destroys the games challenges and trivialises its shiny trophies.
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    Krotoan Argaviel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dzian View Post
    Really? Selfish?

    The thing is I don't think many players who do ex primals or even the most hard core raiders have ever cleared a piece of content got a shiny mount, minion, title, or whatever. and then turned around and said NO ONE else is allowed this.... All many of them ask is that if you want to get said shiny you should take on the samechallenges they did to get it. That's not selfish at all that's fundamental andbasic fairness. these players wouldn't care less if literally everyone had that same shiny if they all overcame the same challenge to get it. hell many of them would actually be happy about it because it would obviously mean the average skill level of the playerbase was a dam site higher. which might then make things like raid finder or duty finder pugs more approachable.

    The selfishness or entitlement comes from players who "pay the same sub" and thus demand the same shinys. nerf that content, make it easier because i want that shiny other people have and i'm to lazy to actually go and get it.. these people are the epitome of selfish because it is there personal sense of entitlement that destroys the games challenges and trivialises its shiny trophies.
    If YOU have the shiny and you did it the hard way, what part of someone who does the quest 2 years later or overgeared removes your accomplishment? If the only reason you are valuing something is because others don't have it, then maybe it isn't the thing that's important. That's selfish. Only finding value in being able to lord something over others.
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    WHERE IS THIS KETTLE EVERYONE KEEPS INTRODUCING ME TO?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dzian View Post
    Really? Selfish?

    The thing is I don't think many players who do ex primals or even the most hard core raiders have ever cleared a piece of content got a shiny mount, minion, title, or whatever. and then turned around and said NO ONE else is allowed this.... All many of them ask is that if you want to get said shiny you should take on the samechallenges they did to get it. That's not selfish at all that's fundamental andbasic fairness. these players wouldn't care less if literally everyone had that same shiny if they all overcame the same challenge to get it. hell many of them would actually be happy about it because it would obviously mean the average skill level of the playerbase was a dam site higher. which might then make things like raid finder or duty finder pugs more approachable.

    The selfishness or entitlement comes from players who "pay the same sub" and thus demand the same shinys. nerf that content, make it easier because i want that shiny other people have and i'm to lazy to actually go and get it.. these people are the epitome of selfish because it is there personal sense of entitlement that destroys the games challenges and trivialises its shiny trophies.
    You’re not getting through to this community with the whole “put in Grade A effort, get Grade A rewards” mindset that most people have. They mostly have a “put in Grade A effort, get Grade C rewards.” And in general, believe in anyone and everyone should have access to any reward without lifting a finger. And what’s worse, is that the dev team listens to them, not realizing it takes away any positive reinforcement. Like I said, I strongly recommend a game like Monster Hunter World or call of duty, where players like that aren’t tolerated or listened to.

    Sounds harsh, but it’s pretty ridiculous what this game has turned into ever since Stormblood began. Im only staying around for the yorha raid, all I care about. By the way, it’ll eventually reach a point where Yoshida’s catering-dev team makes it to where someone as bad at raiding like myself, can waltz in and grab a exclusive mount or gear set like it’s nothing. Currently, that’s how crafting has become. I expect every other aspect in the game to be no different by 6.0.

    I’m like “I mean, you do you, but I would hate to see you play a game like any of the monster hunters where your laziness isn’t tolerated and actually punishes you for it.” Not going to respond to negative comments, because I know how this community rolls when it comes to effort, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CookiesNCreams View Post
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    I don't understand why you brought up the amount of gil you have as a defence to being a good player. Like the only way, I could wrap my head around this is if you were actively helping others in regards to rotations and calculations in regards to gear; weren't using any sort of macro and just were all around a real top-notch guy who's number 1 characteristic wasn't 'I have lots of gil.' Since having a lot of gil is something anyone can achieve if they're bored enough.
    And even if they gated (made it more difficult) crafting/gathering it doesn't matter for you because you have 20billion gil where you can buy the HQ mats and materia ASAP without any issue.
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    Last edited by Gwenorai; 10-06-2019 at 07:32 AM.