Forced scarcity and exclusivity.

[CookiesNCreams]

I want SE to make a “QoL” mechanic called Jesus Touch in crafting. It’ll 100% quality anything so all you have to do is progress the quality by spamming careful synthesis. Oh, and I would also like a “QoL” mechanic where NPCs give me 10 Million gil for free. :P

[Nirokun]

I want SE to make a “QoL” mechanic called Jesus Touch in crafting. It’ll 100% quality anything so all you have to do is progress the quality by spamming careful synthesis. Oh, and I would also like a “QoL” mechanic where NPCs give me 10 Million gil for free. :P

Yeah, and if people want to be TRYHARDS they can not use Jesus Touch or use the QoL mechanic to farm gil! They can do it the hard way, as long as we both get rewarded the same cosmetically! That way, nobody can tell how bad I am... /s

The mental gymnastics people are going through in this thread, man. All to create a whiny argument to persuade others to give them stuff instead of working for it is crazy. If they just spend that time applying themselves, we would have a better playerbase. For the record, I'm all for timed exclusive PVE rewards. It would be so much cooler to see the players on savage raid mounts / gear that wasn't available to the masses. It would mean something and create that sense of awe to inspire people to try harder.

[Just-Communication]

The mental gymnastics people are going through in this thread, man. All to create a whiny argument to persuade others to give them stuff instead of working for it is crazy. If they just spend that time applying themselves, we would have a better playerbase. For the record, I'm all for timed exclusive PVE rewards. It would be so much cooler to see the players on savage raid mounts / gear that wasn't available to the masses. It would mean something and create that sense of awe to inspire people to try harder.

If you spent more time applying yourself you wouldn't be on this thread making stupid, baseless arguments for exclusive rewards just so you can pony around feeling holier than thou. Sense of awe? Inspire people to try harder? That's a load of BS and you know it.

[Nirokun]

If you spent more time applying yourself you wouldn't be on this thread making stupid, baseless arguments for exclusive rewards just so you can pony around feeling holier than thou. Sense of awe? Inspire people to try harder? That's a load of BS and you know it.

Not sure what you mean, I think I apply myself when I feel like it--I placed in the Top 100 in Feast 3 times in Feast (whenever I thought the reward was nice).

As far as sense of awe, I don't know about you, but I've been playing MMOs for 15? years now and seeing skilled players all decked out in cool stuff is inspiring. For me, it gives me something to look forward to, something to strive for, even if whatever they have is not suited for me nor something I specifically want. I can appreciate the effort and dedication they had to get where they are.

It wouldn't mean anything other than that you were around for it. Someone better than you possibly wouldn't have access to the reward, making it worthless for anyone who's actually good.

Depends. For a seasonal event where the quest reward doesn't come back, you're right. But for anything else, where you have to work for it, much less fight amongst yourselves to prove you're better than the next, you're wrong. Any competition (I fully support PVE "World Race" timed-exclusive rewards) is limited by time. Anyone can try afterwards, but part of the competition is being there, at that time, in that competition, against those competitors, with the same amount of info (literally, no info except what you glean yourself) as everyone else.

Imagine if the the World First for any particular raid was won upon release. Then imagine some raid group coming afterwards, using the strategy developed by the initial raiders, but with overwhelming gear and job levels to kill the boss faster. They can't just usurp World First after the fact. That's unthinkable, but that's the argument you're using.

This is an mmorpg, scarcity, exclusivity and rarity are integral to the genre. If you don't earn it while it is relevant, why do you think you deserve it later when it's easier to get? That undermines everything better, harder working players have done.

And for what? So you get get another cutesy uwu outfit you probably don't care about.

You get it. You're the best. <3

[Nirokun]

Yet another incompetent retort. If the reward is specifically for "world's first" then duh, any idiot would agree that only the "world's first" deserves the reward.

I'm talking about general accomplishments and achievements. For example, Ultimate raids, which live up to their name perfectly: they're ultimate. Clearing them will always be impressive (assuming clears aren't bought) because everyone who attempts them will always be armed with the same tools, due to sync-only requirements. Forced scarcity would be removing even the opportunity to attempt these fights. Therefore it's a flawed concept that is objectively wrong.

I see, we are referring to different things entirely. I'm sure you support seasonal timed/exclusive PVP rewards that are only for the top 100 of each data center. Given that they are specifically only for the best of the best, during that particular time. Being that you can't reach back in time and play against players from another season, in a different balance patch, and all.

(We can disregard the false statement about being "armed with the same tools"--as balance patches and introduction of new jobs certainly changes the difficulty of the accomplishment. It's somewhat of an incompetent retort. <3)

[CookiesNCreams]

Yet another incompetent retort. If the reward is specifically for "world's first" then duh, any idiot would agree that only the "world's first" deserves the reward.

why so aggressive lol calm down

[Mistyregions]

Yet another incompetent retort. If the reward is specifically for "world's first" then duh, any idiot would agree that only the "world's first" deserves the reward.

I'm talking about general accomplishments and achievements. For example, Ultimate raids, which live up to their name perfectly: they're ultimate. Clearing them will always be impressive (assuming clears aren't bought) because everyone who attempts them will always be armed with the same tools, due to sync-only requirements. Forced scarcity would be removing even the opportunity to attempt these fights. Therefore it's a flawed concept that is objectively wrong.

That's false not everyone who clears ultimate have the same tools, everyone will ride the coattails of the people who made guides, spent hours editing a video, hours making videos, running it blind, then voice overs. Then the less dedicated and skilled players who dont know how to blind prog come behind and have everything handed to them, all they have to do is remember a string of events, which is not hard at all. Green light, yellow light, red light. That's all a raid is.

Edit: lame ducks was harsh.

[alimdia]

That's false not everyone who clears ultimate have the same tools, everyone will ride the coattails of the people who made guides, spent hours editing a video, hours making videos, running it blind, then voice overs. Then the less dedicated and skilled players who dont know how to blind prog come behind and have everything handed to them, all they have to do is remember a string of events, which is not hard at all. Green light, yellow light, red light. That's all a raid is.

Edit: lame ducks was harsh.

That's just an argument against how things work in PvP, because there are no guides, nothing gets easier over the time, someone more skilled than you could come in a month too late and not be even given the chance to earn the reward.

At that point it's not that you were better than him, you just had more free time, you were awarded for being there within the short time period and not exclusively based on your skill. But you'd be okay with that because it gives you an ego boost, something to lord over him, that you had more free time than him.

[Mistyregions]

Not sure what you mean, I think I apply myself when I feel like it--I placed in the Top 100 in Feast 3 times in Feast (whenever I thought the reward was nice).

As far as sense of awe, I don't know about you, but I've been playing MMOs for 15? years now and seeing skilled players all decked out in cool stuff is inspiring. For me, it gives me something to look forward to, something to strive for, even if whatever they have is not suited for me nor something I specifically want. I can appreciate the effort and dedication they had to get where they are.



Depends. For a seasonal event where the quest reward doesn't come back, you're right. But for anything else, where you have to work for it, much less fight amongst yourselves to prove you're better than the next, you're wrong. Any competition (I fully support PVE "World Race" timed-exclusive rewards) is limited by time. Anyone can try afterwards, but part of the competition is being there, at that time, in that competition, against those competitors, with the same amount of info (literally, no info except what you glean yourself) as everyone else.

Imagine if the the World First for any particular raid was won upon release. Then imagine some raid group coming afterwards, using the strategy developed by the initial raiders, but with overwhelming gear and job levels to kill the boss faster. They can't just usurp World First after the fact. That's unthinkable, but that's the argument you're using.



You get it. You're the best. <3

This guy gets it.