MSQ cutscene skipping against TOS?

[PvpDRG]

Fates aren't really part of the discussion, but if they considered that to be against the ToS I'm sure that they would have acted by now. It is their game, their rules. If you're looking for validation you aren't going to get any, at least from me. I will just keep telling you that you're wrong, which you are, because SE makes the rules and we have to follow them or risk punishment. If you don't like it then that's your problem, not mine.

Such a white knight. Why did I think of trying to post a question on the forms. People like you who attack people like me just makes me sick. It's like you have zero questions, everything is black and white for you. There is no grey lines. I didn't even do the skip, yet here you are painting me as some evil. Way to go, champ.

[PvpDRG]

People praised it there, sure. But praising it doesn't mean it's not breaking a rule, as others have highlighted in this thread. If they wanted people to skip cutscenes, they would still have the cutscene skip option in those dungeons. Bypassing it through an unintended exploit is breaking a rule.

But literally all it takes is one person not enjoying it and writing up that report to have you face-to-face with a GM. You aren't going to get validation on wanting to break the rule; you can do it all you like, but you're the one risking your account to do so, keep that in mind. its your choice to take the risk or not.

So if I go out into the world and find a player doing this fate "glitch", I can simple report them and have the fate system reworked because it breaks my enjoyment in having a hard fought fight won the "real" way?

[Vahlnir]

Such a white knight. Why did I think of trying to post a question on the forms. People like you who attack people like me just makes me sick. It's like you have zero questions, everything is black and white for you. There is no grey lines. I didn't even do the skip, yet here you are painting me as some evil. Way to go, champ.

I'm not attacking you. I'm simply telling you what the rules are, and that you are wrong in thinking that breaking them is okay. What you do with that knowledge is entirely on you. Want to risk a ban? Good luck, have fun. I truly don't care at all. If anything, you are the one attacking me right here and now with this post. But I won't hold that against you. You seem upset.

[LaylaTsarra]

But there is no personal gain or disadvantage to someone else. They CAN do it if they wanted to. They can also not do it if they don't want to. To do the skip is as simple as counting 1,2,3. It's not some ground breaking bug.

It's against the TOS. You can do it if you want but you risk getting banned. It's pretty simple. You don't have to like it just like you can elect not to do the roulette if you find it to be a real problem for you.

[JowyAtreides]

So if I go out into the world and find a player doing this fate "glitch", I can simple report them and have the fate system reworked because it breaks my enjoyment in having a hard fought fight won the "real" way?

You could yes and if you gathered enough traction for a case, they'd look to rework the system. It would need a good number of players to do the same though

This is exactly how the MSQ dungeons went from skippable to unskippable. People were kicked from parties or abused in chat for watching cutscenes, new people wanted to watch the scenes in real time (as tbh, it is not the same watching it back at the unending journey) and the conflicts this caused moved them to make it unskippable.

[MariaArvana]

So if I go out into the world and find a player doing this fate "glitch", I can simple report them and have the fate system reworked because it breaks my enjoyment in having a hard fought fight won the "real" way?

If the GM thinks its against the rules, then sure, that report could go somewhere.

The only reason the MSQ roulette got reworked is that there was enough outrage from people getting their story ruined that it reached the higher up devs. Your report wouldn't get the FATE system reworked unless there was enough wide-spread outrage.

But its super simple. You can do the skip, but you risk getting a ban for doing so if you have certain people in your party. That's it. Take the risk or not, but accept the consequences of your actions if you get pulled into the Mordion Gaol one day.
I had a friend who pulled this exact exploit and unfortunately for him he got a nice suspension slapped on him a day later. Was pretty funny seeing him vanish from existence in our Amdapor run only for him to get angry over discord, and I was like "I tried to warn you."

[PvpDRG]

I'm upset yes. When theres things in the game that people do such as "selling clears" "Selling plots" "Breaking fakes" "Using third party programs for dps on streaming sites that GM's can clearly see" and many more, that are left unchecked, it makes me wonder what I can and can't do because clearly some things are in a grey area where others and black and white. I know the deal with housing but it still happens every single day and theres nothing done about it. People get things because they're rich IRL and it's ultra un fair and it's a huge part of the game. I'd love to own a large plot and have fun with it but I can't because you have people selling them for 500 times the price.

All I wanted was to find out if I can or can't do this with MSQ and in the topic I brought up points that argue the reasoning given but i'm just shot down. Why is it such a bad thing when people can pick to not waste 55 minutes and enjoy the MSQ. If they really want to, they can skip it too. It's no diffident from someone buying a skip potion on the mog station where others can't because they can't afford one.

[Vahlnir]

I'm upset yes. When theres things in the game that people do such as "selling clears" "Selling plots" "Breaking fakes" "Using third party programs for dps on streaming sites that GM's can clearly see" and many more, that are left unchecked, it makes me wonder what I can and can't do because clearly some things are in a grey area where others and black and white. I know the deal with housing but it still happens every single day and theres nothing done about it. People get things because they're rich IRL and it's ultra un fair and it's a huge part of the game. I'd love to own a large plot and have fun with it but I can't because you have people selling them for 500 times the price.

All I wanted was to find out if I can or can't do this with MSQ and in the topic I brought up points that argue the reasoning given but i'm just shot down. Why is it such a bad thing when people can pick to not waste 55 minutes and enjoy the MSQ. If they really want to, they can skip it too. It's no diffident from someone buying a skip potion on the mog station where others can't because they can't afford one.

You were "shot down" because you were wrong in thinking that it's okay. It's against the rules that SE put in place. That means it is not okay. It's really that simple. Just because there are worse things people could be doing, that doesn't suddenly mean a smaller breach of the ToS is any less significant. In fact, they take this particular breach rather seriously. Either way, you do you. Ultimately that is your decision to make.

[PvpDRG]

I'm NOT going to be doing this because I don't want to risk my account. I still would like to have heard the words from the houses mouth because it would be really nice to skip something so boring to have to sit though, it feels like a punishment having to sit though the 55 minutes of cutscenes. I sent a report to a GM in game 30 minutes ago to try and get a response but as I figured, no one messaged me back, leaving me in the dark.

If I learned anything from this, it's that most people respond to me with black and white response while others had been more nicely spoken and respected my debate and for that I thank you. I'm leaving this post now, maybe check in on it a few days in hopes a GM messages but I'm not going to hold my breath, they don't seem to care that much about my question and a possible fix for it if this is indeed a problem. The easy fix would be to do what they do with the other cut scenes, with out going into details on how what is done in order to skip MSQ CS.

[MariaArvana]

Why is it such a bad thing when people can pick to not waste 55 minutes and enjoy the MSQ. If they really want to, they can skip it too.

Because some players genuinely enjoy watching the cutscenes and then fighting the bosses all in the same instance, especially on their first time? The Praetorium was a very epic instance when I first ran through it (I started after the cutscene skipping was blocked), and I can only imagine how ruined it would be if I didn't get to fight Ultima after watching the awesome cutscene build-up leading to it, I would have been in that outrage crowd very easily, it's very easy for me to see why they changed it.

And no, the magic would be pretty ruined too if I was told to go watch it in the unending journey.

Just fire up netflix or social media and enjoy getting hilariously huge amounts of exp for basically doing nothing for 3/4 of an hour.