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  1. #11
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    Talam's Avatar
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    Kyrion Exile
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    Balmung
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    Marauder Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
    It's strange how TBN feels fine while Flash feels clunky and bad.
    Something about the way Nascent Flash works is just... wrong. I don't know how to explain it.
    Personally, I think it's because it doesn't flow well at all, nor is it intuitive feeling. Targeting an ally to throw a shield on them makes sense and it just works when you do it. Throwing a buff on an ally so you can heal off of the damage you deal to an enemy just doesn't feel right, and it feels really bad if you miss out on a GCD.
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  2. #12
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    Len Mei
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    Sargatanas
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Shouldn't they learn from their mistakes on the first 5 secs of the blackest night? On how tight it was for it to pop back in SB? So they finally increase it to 7 secs which made it a lot better.
    And now we got another 5 secs... not only it's tied to require a target for it's usage.... which, imo is my complaint to it.
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  3. #13
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    Lazee Ti'red
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    Balmung
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    Marauder Lv 80
    the healing on the target is also sad as hell, i dont even understand why it only heals half of what the warrior heals for, if you;re not using inner chaos or currently raging it heals for really pathetic noodle health.
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  4. #14
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
    It's strange how TBN feels fine while Flash feels clunky and bad.
    Something about the way Nascent Flash works is just... wrong. I don't know how to explain it.
    Because Nascent and TBN aren't supposed to be compared to each other.

    The warrior equivalent of TBN is Raw Intuition
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  5. #15
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    Lazee Ti'red
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    Balmung
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    Because Nascent and TBN aren't supposed to be compared to each other.

    The warrior equivalent of TBN is Raw Intuition
    Except RI and NF share a cooldown so they are basically the same skill, either a self helping skill or a party helping skill but TBN completely craps on both the warrior ones
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  6. #16
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    Typical Karen
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    Exodus
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    Pugilist Lv 62
    Quote Originally Posted by fumofu View Post
    Totally agree that Nascent Flesh is clunky as hell and it's one of few reasons why I dislike new WAR. The other reasons being castrated Raw Beast with HP absorb removed same as Steel Cyclone. What a fantastic idea to remove existing self-heal options that are convenient to use and instead give us this clunky buff that requires me to target other player then re-target whatever I'm attacking, and of course during that time I can't use any ogcd and on top of that usually this whole process takes more than 1gcd, so.... I don't see anything here to be happy about.
    User Macros:
    /ac "Nascent Flash" <t>
    /ac "Nascent Flash" <2>

    First priority is applying the buff to targeted party member, if you have no target selected it automatically casts on the 2nd person in your party list (usually Second tank or healer). Will also target chocobo companion). There's a way to get the macro to share the Nascent Flash icon and cooldown info, but I don't remember how.
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    Last edited by Reinfeld; 10-01-2019 at 01:40 AM.

  7. #17
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    Raldo Volca
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    Coeurl
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    Marauder Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Reinfeld View Post
    There's a way to get the macro to share the Nascent Flash icon and cooldown info, but I don't remember how.
    Should be as simple as setting the macro icon to Nascent Flash.

    At the top of your macro:
    /micon "Nascent Flash"
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  8. #18
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Reinfeld View Post
    User Macros:
    /ac "Nascent Flash" <t>
    /ac "Nascent Flash" <2>

    First priority is applying the buff to targeted party member, if you have no target selected it automatically casts on the 2nd person in your party list (usually Second tank or healer). Will also target chocobo companion). There's a way to get the macro to share the Nascent Flash icon and cooldown info, but I don't remember how.
    Put /ac [Nascent Flash] <c> for overworld with your chocobuddy in there

    Quote Originally Posted by Raldo View Post
    Should be as simple as setting the macro icon to Nascent Flash.

    At the top of your macro:
    /micon "Nascent Flash"
    doesn't show the CD, just shows the icon.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  9. #19
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    Reinfeld's Avatar
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    Typical Karen
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    Exodus
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    Pugilist Lv 62
    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    doesn't show the CD, just shows the icon.
    . Ah, that's a shame. Maybe I'm mis-remembering the ability to have it mimic the skill cooldown.
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  10. #20
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    King Canadane
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    Hyperion
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    It feels like a 1-2 seconds are missing from the duration and you get healed by 2 skills or something.
    Duration of this skill is ridiculous.
    If it's an emergency need for the health, you can use your ogcd's and heal for 5 skills.
    But I do agree it feels awfully short.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    Because Nascent and TBN aren't supposed to be compared to each other.

    The warrior equivalent of TBN is Raw Intuition
    They both help your target survive. One's just a shield vs the other being damage reduction.
    The difference is TBN can be applied to the DRK themselves, while NF can only be applied to a party member other than yourself. Yes Raw Int is the self-version of it, so basically you have 2 buttons to perform the same function a DRK uses one function.
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