Reimbursement for Lost Tomes due to Wrongful use of Kick

[RokkuEkkusu]

That's not helpful advice, that's a way for trolls to ensure a party can't get rid of them when they deserve to be kicked. Don't encourage people to do it.

Also, if a party is determined to kick someone, they'll wait.

That is why I wrote the disclaimer on not knowing the full story. I only went by with what the topic creator said. I'm not certain if the topic creator was in the wrong or the troll here. That is why if he feels that he was truly wrongfully kicked, he at least has one option. But if his actions have him kicked constantly, the problem now lies with him and him alone.

At one time when I was WHM on a Arboretum run back in HW, I got kicked near the last boss without any reason at all. I went on to do a better run to earn my tomes, but people can be fickle in how they do things.

[Jimmymagic]

OP I feel your pain and awkwardness in bringing up such a topic. I am not going to berate you because, well that's what most do on the forums, however, you do bring up a solid point about determining what is just under these circumstances.

IMHO yes people abuse the ---- out of votekick no question. On top of that the intention is to deny players tomes. FC's and/or LS parties are notorious for doing this. What people are not seeing is motive and control. If you don't follow the group you are not part of the group regardless if your right or wrong on argument. People are ridiculous when it comes to topics like this because the majority need justification to be valid.

IMHO players deserve the product to be sound and up to par for subscription mmorpg and along with that a just system. The ToS is set in such way that votekick abuse is deterred at a moments notice unless the evidence is so overwhelming, they act accordingly.

I see the point, I don't care if your the biggest douche in the world, this for me is more than getting a few tomes, this is groups, FC's, LS taking advantage of a system that is incompetent in security, bot elimination and being just. Why? Because SE can afford to not care. All of you complain about this and that and yet you still hand over the money each month.

This why I have hard time taking anything anyone says seriously. Your topic seems genuine to me. You also illustrated a good point, that I feel is not important to the devs to do anything about sadly.

Just a piece of advice: Don't let people sway your opinion. Its alright to be upset but you might wanna think about your topic on forum threads because of the close-minded judgment labeled without proof.

[Arcian]

You are entitled to play a game that you bought and paid for.

You are not owed a subjectively 'just' system adhering to your standards alone.

There is nothing in the TOS, or any TOS, that guarantees that people have to be nice to you.
It's great when they are! I definitely prefer having a good time and having fun. I'd prefer it to pretty much always be that way, in fact. But the world doesn't revolve around me, and I'm not automatically entitled to people never being jerks, ever. Neither is anyone else. It's just not possible to intensely police every single player interaction, ever, in order to ensure Maximum Niceness, and it's not feasible to try.

You hate jerks. That's reasonable. But if you're the one being the jerk, expect people to call you on it.

Also I'm entirely valid on my own, thanks, but if you want to keep railing about how we're all a mean ol' grumpy hivemind of Bad, sure, whatever.

[MrMagic]

If a Dev could respond why they hadn't considered this feature that'd be very constructive.

I will be waiting for the GM's decision because that is the only one that will matter because aside from myself they are the only one with full context of the situation. The input I am recieving here is counter productive and has grown hostile without reason. Have a good day.

As for waiting for a GM response—you’ll be waiting a while. Community managers rarely post in NA discussion threads.

Check Dev Tracker. They do not respond directly to posts such as yours. Player input is all you are going to get so appreciate it for what it is. You are asking players to get behind your idea and community reps look for the number of likes. Your original posts (and edited) as of now has zero likes however you blame the forum attitude for that and dismiss us as a whole.

OP, Your posts come off as extremely self-entitled. You blame the player base and the Crystal data centre for being frequently dismissed. I assume you blacklist players when you are dismissed. That means that totally random players are deciding that they would rather wait and pull a different player from the queue than to keep going with you in the party.

I half expected someone here to say that this happens a lot to them too, but no one has put their hand up, nor even liked your post. You are right, we don't have the full context. Nor do the GM's, who would not go back through all of your reports either. There has to be something YOU are doing to get dismissed. Players can be petty but if there are chat logs as you say, it could be the way you communicate, or any number of reasons.

You say that this only recently started happening and not in previous expansions. I have some theories but I won't speculate. You won't give blanked out chat logs to give us even a shred of context. How do you expect us to agree that you, or players in your exact situation, need compensation when you won't give us an example we can get behind.

I'm still scratching my head as to why you, and only you, keep getting dismissed enough to say you cant progress in the game. Can you at least give us an idea of how many times you have been dismissed? 5 times? 50? As far as your self-entitled attitude has come across, it could be as little as just a few times.

If you were wrongfully dismissed dozens of times sure, that's a serious concern.

If I can count your dismissals on one hand, move on.

We can't even tell if you were partially to blame and therefore do not deserve 100% compensation as you demand. You can still be right and may not have handled the situation well.

There are other features we want the devs to implement so yes we have every right to dismiss your idea based on what you have given us. Devs will see that and act/not act accordingly.

[Yukumazi]

OP is ignorant and I accepted that. im amazed this thread has 11 pages of OP being self-entitled.

[Arcian]

As folks like to say, you can't heal stupid. Or self-centered.

[Noitems]

I will be waiting for the GM's decision because that is the only one that will matter because aside from myself they are the only one with full context of the situation.

Thank you Alklios, very cool!

[hynaku]

No if you kick someone and its not one of the kick options and they report you. Be ready for a GM to be talking to you or even get banned for it. There rules for a reason. Report ones before for false kicking and GM responded back right away and talked to other right after it.

[ForteNightshade]

No if you kick someone and its not one of the kick options and they report you. Be ready for a GM to be talking to you or even get banned for it. There rules for a reason. Report ones before for false kicking and GM responded back right away and talked to other right after it.

This is factually incorrect. Not only have GMs already responded that "difference of playstyle" is a perfectly acceptable reason, I can say from personal experience they aren't going to say two words to you unless you harass, belittle or bring up parse numbers. If you silently kick someone? They aren't going to do anything about it.

[Runekaster]

You guys, he may have not actually told us anything that happened, but he did drop a breadcrumb back on page 2.

It doesn't take much review to know that disagreements on BiS falls under none of the criteria existing for vote kicks.

There you go :P