Please make healing more worthwhile than Dps-ing

[Billythepancake]

That was obviously his opinion, people don't tend to preface everything with a "this is my opinion" since it should be obvious. People tend to to express their opinions with fact like manner, nothing new.

Fair enough I suppose. Most likely a lot of it is biased at that individual as well, considsding how they went on tangent like"new AST is obviously superior and others will see that I'm right eventually" (still haven't seen those AST numbers go up at all, and we're 8-9 weeks into the raid tier, so, you know. Oops)

[LariaKirin]

Fair enough I suppose. Most likely a lot of it is biased at that individual as well, considsding how they went on tangent like"new AST is obviously superior and others will see that I'm right eventually" (still haven't seen those AST numbers go up at all, and we're 8-9 weeks into the raid tier, so, you know. Oops)

In the "Goodbye Astro" thread you referenced, I said "AST is strong. The healers are more balanced than they've ever been. People will realize it sooner or later". If I wanted to quote something you said in a different thread, I would have gone to that thread, found the post and made sure I quoted accurately. I expect you to to do the same.

You haven't seen the AST numbers go up "at all"? Have you even looked?

[Billythepancake]

In the "Goodbye Astro" thread you referenced, I said "AST is strong. The healers are more balanced than they've ever been. People will realize it sooner or later". If I wanted to quote something you said in a different thread, I would have gone to that thread, found the post and made sure I quoted accurately. I expect you to to do the same.

You haven't seen the AST numbers go up "at all"? Have you even looked?

My point was not to quote you or to even attack you, merely to show that I have a bias and an example of why I have said bias, so I paraphrased. Should I have gotten an exact quote? Probably, but I'm sick,tired, and at work, so I honestly cannot be bothered to dig through old threads or through profiles or w/e.

As for AST growth, yes, I looked at it this morning, sure it went up, but not in anyway that indicates it's doing well. I have an old SS from sep 2 where AST was at 15k, to today where it was at 17k. A significant growth, until you compare it to the other two healers, who grew at the same amount in the same amount of time, with WHM actually growing a bit more. Tells me the same people who were playing AST are the same people still playing it. If there were any time for AST to get more popular, it'd be now since people are getting bis and would actually care about starting to do parse runs. I am curious how it's grown compared to when the raid tier started. For much the same reason I can't be asked to go back and find the numbers it was at then,so please show me if you have them, if I remember correctly, AST hasn't grown nearly as much as the other two, but that's people off whats in my head so I wont make conjecture.

[LariaKirin]

As for AST growth, yes, I looked at it this morning, sure it went up, but not in anyway that indicates it's doing well. I have an old SS from sep 2 where AST was at 15k, to today where it was at 17k. A significant growth, until you compare it to the other two healers, who grew at the same amount in the same amount of time, with WHM actually growing a bit more. Tells me the same people who were playing AST are the same people still playing it. If there were any time for AST to get more popular, it'd be now since people are getting bis and would actually care about starting to do parse runs. I am curious how it's grown compared to when the raid tier started. For much the same reason I can't be asked to go back and find the numbers it was at then,so please show me if you have them, if I remember correctly, AST hasn't grown nearly as much as the other two, but that's people off whats in my head so I wont make conjecture.

The reason I pick on your statement is because you used the words "at all", which is just wrong. You even agreed with me that AST numbers would increase back then. Of course they would, the 5.05 buff was massive and addressed a major reason why people were not playing AST.

Here's a quote from back then:

AST currently makes up 16.6% of the healer parses on E1, or 4897 out of 29247. If you go E1S then it is 13.4%, or 4624 out of 34360. If you go up through normal it stays consistent in that for every 1 AST there will be 3 WHMs and roughly 2 SCHs. If you go up Savage then the amount of ASTs drastically drops to where you have up to 14 WHMs or SCHs per AST.

This is what was said back then about fflogs parses. Looking at fflogs parses now vs then, the "savage parsing AST" population has doubled proportionally for pretty much every floor. You had 14 WHM per AST in Titan before. You have 6 WHM per AST in Titan now. Of course, this is not indicative of the general population. But you cannot claim that AST numbers have not increased. I never thought fflogs is a particularly good indicator of population.

I doubt it will ever be 1:1. As much as people say that they want more complex gameplay - even if AST were as strong as WHM, people tend to choose the path of least resistance.