Reimbursement for Lost Tomes due to Wrongful use of Kick

[Yukumazi]

you know the more you try to defend what happened and more you believe you deserve to be compensated for what you did in the duty.

the more people here are not going to care, nor will feel like you deserve anything and feel entitled to anything. continue doing what you do in your life, stop arguing this topic because im starting to feel sorry for you that you care this much about it.

[Alklios]

you know the more you try to defend what happened and more you believe you deserve to be compensated for what you did in the duty.

the more people here are not going to care, nor will feel like you deserve anything and feel entitled to anything. continue doing what you do in your life, stop arguing this topic because im starting to feel sorry for you that you care this much about it.

So, I'm not certain why people here are so obsessed with having me seek their approval or disapproval for an event. I honestly don't need your validation or anyone's, the point of a thread is to not play a thumbs'up game of approval. It's suggesting a point of consideration for the Dev team and it's up to -you- the poster to discuss or leave it dry. If you don't care how your dollar is used, you don't have to respond. Reimbursement for abuse is not an alien concept.
It's making me question what the priority of players here is just as the GM communicating with me was so adamant that justice will be served to the offender mentioned about 4 times, when I just want my denied currency reimbursed. Simple capitalism.

People being banned is irrelevant to this thread. People being at fault myself or another is irrelevant. The GM decides that, NOT YOU. Please stop derailing my thread.

[Yukumazi]

So, I'm not certain why people here are so obsessed with having me seek their approval or disapproval for an event. I honestly don't need your validation or anyone's, the point of a thread is to not play a thumbs'up game of approval. It's suggesting a point of consideration for the Dev team and it's up to -you- the poster to discuss or leave it dry. If you don't care how your dollar is used, you don't have to respond. Reimbursement for abuse is not an alien concept.
It's making me question what the priority of players here is just as the GM communicating with me was so adamant that justice will be served to the offender mentioned about 4 times, when I just want my denied currency reimbursed. Simple capitalism.

People being banned is irrelevant to this thread. People being at fault myself or another is irrelevant. The GM decides that, NOT YOU. Please stop derailing my thread.

Your thread is about you being kicked from a duty and demanding compensation. when most of the party is against your decision and you disagree with the party when they party wants sources and reasons of what happened to justify why you deserve compensation despite knowing you don't deserve one.

Again, you don't deserve to be reimbursed. move on start fighting a battle you never had a chance to even participate in.

[Alklios]

Your thread is about you being kicked from a duty and demanding compensation. when most of the party is against your decision and you disagree with the party when they party wants sources and reasons of what happened to justify why you deserve compensation despite knowing you don't deserve one.

Again, you don't deserve to be reimbursed. move on start fighting a battle you never had a chance to even participate in.

The 'party' made it about trying to see if I deserve or not the reimbursement when this thread is voiced to give a resolution to everyone suffering from trolls.
The 'party's' judgments means nothing to me as that is a GM's decision. Your judgment will not help me. It won't sway a GM or developer's decision.
You, the player, have no power to determine guilt or innocence so no consideration has been given to feed the pettiness that is attempting to put me on trial.
I'm speaking on universals, you and 'party' are speaking on individuals. Me. Stop making it about. Me.

All I care about is to hear the pros or cons of having a system, and that's as little as a fourth of the content posted here. Now I am being blamed

[Yukumazi]

The 'party' made it about trying to see if I deserve or not the reimbursement when this thread is voiced to give a resolution to everyone suffering from trolls.
The 'party's' judgments means nothing to me as that is a GM's decision. Your judgment will not help me. It won't sway a GM or developer's decision.
You, the player, have no power to determine guilt or innocence so no consideration has been given to feed the pettiness that is attempting to put me on trial.
I'm speaking on universals, you and 'party' are speaking on individuals. Me. Stop making it about. Me.

All I care about is to hear the pros or cons of having a system, and that's as little as a fourth of the content posted here. Now I am being blamed

dude your original post is literally you complaining about how you got kicked, how crystal DC is terrible and how you demand to be compensated for the effort you put into the dungeon. now you want to turn this topic around on how the system is being used? please stop playing the victim and using that as a scapegoat. you suddenly are trying to turn it into a topic on GMs and it's rules when you realized how everyone is against your decisions, your complaint. and your lack of sources/explanation of the scenario when everyone was spitting facts at you.

this entire thread is literally about YOU because you made it about YOU. not about the GMs and their system.

[Alklios]

dude your original post is literally you complaining about how you got kicked, how crystal DC is terrible and how you demand to be compensated for the effort you put into the dungeon. now you want to turn this topic around on how the system is being used? please stop playing the victim and using that as a scapegoat. you suddenly are trying to turn it into a topic on GMs and it's rules when you realized how everyone is against your decisions, your complaint. and your lack of sources/explanation of the scenario when everyone was spitting facts at you.

this entire thread is literally about YOU because you made it about YOU. not about the GMs and their system.

If you can't find the thesis among the personal experience, that's a you problem on not reading.

I'll edit and trim it all off just for you, and the party involved, that seem to want to focus on assuming intent and going into aggro derail mode. Maybe can get some decent discussion then.

[Noitems]

Me. Stop making it about. Me.

All I care about is to hear the pros or cons of having a system, and that's as little as a fourth of the content posted here. Now I am being blamed

If you started this thread going into detail of what ACTUALLY happened to get you vote kicked, instead of being absolutely vague on the concept and name dropping an entire Data Center then more people here would be showing sympathy for you. However you worded your post as an individual account (so we can relate to you) and then tried making it a broader statement. Problem is by not actually explaining (even now with so multiple people asking why) you're hurting your entire argument and making yourself look like a clown.

There are threads you can have this general conversation in, but the way you worded your first post and the domino effect it's having is not giving YOU any credibility. Going back and editing it didn't change a thing except make you look worse by comparison when the post history for quotes tells a different story.

[HyoMinPark]

Whether or not -I- specifically deserved a kick is irrelevant to reimbursement needed for a rampant problem. Even if I were justified to be kicked 9 out of 10 times, the other one needs coverage and it's not just me but thousands of players suffering that a week. We need some coverage for toxic PvE that's weeded out my friend's list real thin. That's why I am suggesting this and only because of GM prompting.

How can you prove that this problem is rampant? How can you prove that it affects thousands of players? You have nothing but anecdotes—and some of these anecdotes are likely not even entirely truthful in nature. You have no actual statistics of the amount of legitimate kicks versus the amount of abusive kicks.

Do you know what the GMs and the developers have? Statistics. They can see how many vote dismissals are deemed abusive or not, and can choose to act or make an announcement if they find it swinging towards the former. Considering they have never made any comments about how there’s an excess of abusive kicks compared to legitimate ones, it’s likely not as rampant as you are saying it is.

And your dismissal is very relevant when you made a big deal of making it the very first thing you mentioned in your opening post. You making this suggestion is completely selfish in nature. Don’t act like it’s not. You were kicked from a dungeon, got mad about it, and came here to demand that you be compensated tomestones when the GMs told you that they wouldn’t compensate you for something you didn’t earn. Please don’t try to act like this thread was made out of concern for those poor, unfortunate souls who are victims of abusive vote dismissals. This thread was started out of concern for yourself and no one else.

Editing your opening post to try and save face doesn’t help you. It only hurts you.

[Alklios]

How can you prove that this problem is rampant? How can you prove that it affects thousands of players? You have nothing but anecdotes—and some of these anecdotes are likely not even entirely truthful in nature. You have no actual statistics of the amount of legitimate kicks versus the amount of abusive kicks.

Do you know what the GMs and the developers have? Statistics. They can see how many vote dismissals are deemed abusive or not, and can choose to act or make an announcement if they find it swinging towards the former. Considering they have never made any comments about how there’s an excess of abusive kicks compared to legitimate ones, it’s likely not as rampant as you are saying it is.

And your dismissal is very relevant when you made a big deal of making it the very first thing you mentioned in your opening post. You making this suggestion is completely selfish in nature. Don’t act like it’s not. You were kicked from a dungeon, got mad about it, and came here to demand that you be compensated tomestones when the GMs told you that they wouldn’t compensate you for something you didn’t earn. Please don’t try to act like this thread was made out of concern for those poor, unfortunate souls who are victims of abusive vote dismissals. This thread was started out of concern for yourself and no one else.

Editing your opening post to try and save face doesn’t help you. It only hurts you.

If that's the image you want to paint, you may. That someone is crazy enough to go through all this trouble to get a pity party which is irrelevant. I've never seen the words 'Aelfred deserves reimbursement and none else.' You're so confident with painting a picture to derail the thesis, the literal title of the thread which contains no 'I' statement, into something to make it easier to attack the individual and create a flood of ad-hominems.

The developers have statistics on it being a problem and any google check shows it being a historical problem. They have the statistics, and either have decided not to help out these victims or haven't considered it, which I assume the latter due to the repeat of the GM encouraging my post here. It's been my stance honestly for awhile, I only bothered to come here because they suggested it. If I just was enraged and prompted it here at the first time, I would have posted this thread years ago.

Please stop this. I just want people to consider the thread title, even if I have to make the first post blank from hereon to stop derailing it with all the assumed intents. Blank as hell, just for people to digest the raw bones of title.

[Alklios]

If you started this thread going into detail of what ACTUALLY happened to get you vote kicked, instead of being absolutely vague on the concept and name dropping an entire Data Center then more people here would be showing sympathy for you. However you worded your post as an individual account (so we can relate to you) and then tried making it a broader statement. Problem is by not actually explaining (even now with so multiple people asking why) you're hurting your entire argument and making yourself look like a clown.

There are threads you can have this general conversation in, but the way you worded your first post and the domino effect it's having is not giving YOU any credibility. Going back and editing it didn't change a thing except make you look worse by comparison when the post history for quotes tells a different story.

I readily welcome people to view the quotes as was mentioned already. The server callout means nothing for me being on Balmung, it's obviously under my character's picture

Once again idc on sympathy or not and it's starting to disturb me that's people's primary motivation apparently for posting anything here. I want rational debate over this concept and alternative suggestions breaking it down. So far it's only been minor points which I've already responded to by comparisons to other MMOs providing this service and recommending that FF14 do it to remain competitive.

Again, idk why all of you are concerned over sympathy and thumbs up. There's a problem, we need to find ways to abate it. You don't want to believe there's a problem? Compare old Q times to the mentioned data center b/f and after the server drops, reflecting how many people (and many of my friends) left the toxicity using their free server hop they didn't consider before.