Rescue being used as a weapon

[hynaku]

sounds like what happens to me all the time. Healer uses rescue and they don't watch the enemy and they cause you to get pulled into aoe which they can after casting spell run out of but your stuck in it. Been in so far 6 party where healer used I'm a rdm and only other that could raise and pull you into attack which kills us both. Who every thought it was ok for healer to be able to control others needs fired asap. Most time in all duty finder partys been in its tank that dies first or the healer. Skill needs removed or add option if you will let it move you like party teleporting where can choose to accept. If healers is upset about ones complaining about rescue maybe rdms should help raising them when they die and others. Pretty sure we raise more players than they do. How about tanks use shirk on healers and give them 25% of the enmity see how they like all mobs coming after them.

[Crushnight]

It is no more trolly than Fluid Aura, Blank, Shadewalker/Smokescreen(pre 5.0 emnity) used to be, it is an individual player that is the problem not the ability. If used in an obvious trolling manner and if they are even stupider for stating in chat report away it can be considered griefing.

Now we never had this many get rid of rescue threads pre 5.0, hmm makes you wonder why people are now using it more(for better or worse), could it be that SE changed something fundamentally with all the healers making people want to use it more /think (yes i'm not even being subtle).

[Goji1639]

All I can say is you clearly aren't using it for its intended purpose then. Co-ordinating rescue in savage raiding to keep uptime, make mechanics easier, or to correct mistakes is insane amounts of fun. Like I said, calling them obtuse does them a disservice and limits the creativity and decision making involved in raiding. This is a team based game, and I would rather we had more varied skills that allow for team based play.

Oh, shirk is another one, I forgot that, thats similar to shadewalker, and is essential to a tanks toolkit.

Intended purpose doesn't really matter; the ability is obtuse because the way it functions is so easily, consistently and blatantly vulnerable to abuse; and does nothing to mitigate it. Maybe make it so the Healer has to cast some kind of symbolic tether on the other party members beforehand for rescue to work, and it creates a buff that the party member can remove at any time, or simply not consent to.

It's the lack of consideration and forethought regarding these abusive abilities that makes them troll abilities; even if they can and do have some legitimate uses.

[ReiMakoto]

Intended purpose doesn't really matter; the ability is obtuse because the way it functions is so easily, consistently and blatantly vulnerable to abuse; and does nothing to mitigate it. Maybe make it so the Healer has to cast some kind of symbolic tether on the other party members beforehand for rescue to work, and it creates a buff that the party member can remove at any time, or simply not consent to.

It's the lack of consideration and forethought regarding these abusive abilities that makes them troll abilities; even if they can and do have some legitimate uses.

Adding all of that will make rescue way harder to use properly. If people are trolling with it, report them, its not a lack of consideration. Rescue is a fantastic tool for making ranged stand in your healer bubbles, cheesing certain mechanic and animation locks, list goes on if someones abusing it you report them, thats the mitigation.

[Miracle_Diva]

Now we never had this many get rid of rescue threads pre 5.0

Forum needs a scapegoat.

[HyoMinPark]

add option if you will let it move you like party teleporting where can choose to accept.

Pressing a confirmation window in the middle of my rotation sounds like a terrible idea.

[Goji1639]

Adding all of that will make rescue way harder to use properly. If people are trolling with it, report them, its not a lack of consideration. Rescue is a fantastic tool for making ranged stand in your healer bubbles, cheesing certain mechanic and animation locks, list goes on if someones abusing it you report them, thats the mitigation.

It would only make it harder to use on people who don't want it, and that's the point. We'd all love to be able to force everyone around us to do what we want them to, but that's not a good option to hand random sociopaths in an online community.

Reporting isn't really a consistent option either. Not every healer is going to announce their intention to troll you in chat, and without an announcement good luck proving they're not just well intended healers who suck with Rescue.

[Lambdafish]

It would only make it harder to use on people who don't want it, and that's the point. We'd all love to be able to force everyone around us to do what we want them to, but that's not a good option to hand random sociopaths in an online community.

I'm a PLD, PLD has divine veil, I hate that it requires two steps to activate it's effect. Rescue is an emergency tool, that could be disastrous if a player does not consent. What you want is to be coddled in a team based game, its as simple as that. You will encounter trolls, and nasty people, and thats ok. These players don't need to be reported as they will likely be kicked and blacklisted by you for exercising troll behaviour. The game already has the tools to remove problematic people, and giving people a means to deny the use of a skill that could save a party from wiping is open to as much abuse as the ability itself.

[Reinfeld]

I only use rescue to kill people when it's funny.

[Goji1639]

I'm a PLD, PLD has divine veil, I hate that it requires two steps to activate it's effect. Rescue is an emergency tool, that could be disastrous if a player does not consent. What you want is to be coddled in a team based game, its as simple as that. You will encounter trolls, and nasty people, and thats ok. These players don't need to be reported as they will likely be kicked and blacklisted by you for exercising troll behaviour. The game already has the tools to remove problematic people, and giving people a means to deny the use of a skill that could save a party from wiping is open to as much abuse as the ability itself.

Few, if any fights actually require the use of Rescue for success. Anyone who feels like they need the healer to control their character for them in order to do their job can allow it. People feeling like it's their right and privelege to control others characters for them is the kind of sociopathic mindset that makes abilities like this such a bad idea in the first place.

Creating an extra step allowing people the option to grant or deny permission to control their character is a fair compromise; just make the first step something that is done out of combat. You're just being defensive and irrational.