Requesting Information on Jobs: Preparing for 1.21

[NoctisUmbra]

re-read what you wrote...we're not forced to stay as one class...we can switch and change any time we want...we can define the classes as we need...

Right, but to allow such flexibility for every class their stats are made more or less balanced. The idea is switching to a Job will very likely change your stats, as well as your action bar setup, to only be able to do your role effectively but fall short in every other aspect.

[Zeref]

Then you're missing the entire point.

I get it just fine, Jobs are meant to be part-centric roles that define each person's purpose in a party clearly, What i'm saying is that its just getting cumbersome at this point, there are so many variables on top of an already cluttered armory system, that's just my opinion though.

[NoctisUmbra]

Classes: flexibility and well-roundedness.

Jobs: Efficient and well-defined.

[djjdiss]

I posted this in another thread, but I'll put it here to help express what some of us in the community feel right now.

PLD: various cures. (we all expected these, just more Cures...)
Grants imperviousness to melee attacks. Effect fades upon moving. (welcome to the new Sentinel)
Redirects a melee attack against the target party member to you. (glorified taunt nothing new)

WAR: Redirects a portion of the next damage you sustain back to its source (Hey look at that a new skill! Chalk one up!)
Oh wait it's just reverse Bloodbath...
AoE attack. Consumes MRD Ability 5 effect (welcome to the new Storms Path)
Grants an additional attack to the next weaponskill used (welcome to the new Keen Flurry)
Increases the maximum HP and attack power of all party members (OMG a new buff!! jump for joy Chalk 2 up)

MNK: Adds kicks to auto-attacks (Tell me, how hard do you think this copy pasta skill was to program?) LOL
Prevents target from executing actions or moving (smells like a glorified Sleep to me with more restrictions)
Converts your attacks into wind attacks (same BS different element and stat boost)
Twofold melee attack...with a chance to prevent enemy from using wep skills (Same thing as Fracture *yawn)
Increases attack speed (OMG did MNK get a new skill!!!! oh nvm it's just Speed Surge w/o the HP absorb)

DRG: Performs a jumping attack on the target (Sounds like Doomspike to me - the AOE)
Performs a jumping evasion and attack that triggers when you are attacked (hmm seems creative enough, what the hell Chalk 4 up!!!)
Deals fire damage to all enemies within range of the target (Sounds like an AoE Fire back when CNJ had it, so unless the DRG lights his fart to perform Firaga, I'm saying no for now)
Short-range attack (umm.....) Combo: Draws in enemies with enmity towards you (oooo hey look at that NOW were talkin. Way to get creative SE chalk 5 up!!!)
AoE melee attack (too vague)

BRD: Increases the maximum HP and certain magic effects of all party members ( wait a minuet, Didn't I just read something similar to this in the WAR section? Oh well...)
Deals damage to all enemies within range of the target (welcome to the new Wide Volley)

Gradually restores the MP of all party members (Shroud of Saints - enimity shed + AoE feature...)
Increases the physical and magic accuracy of all party members (Did they just smash Dark Seal and Hawks Eye together in an AOE? For SHAMMME)
Gradually increases the TP of all party members (Invigorate with an AoE effect...)

WHM: Eliminates cast time of next spell ( oh HI Chainspell there you are man i missed you...)
Instantly restores HP of all party members (guessing it's curaga with no cast time or AOE Second Wind...)
Gradually restores the target's HP (aww how nice, they gave us Sacrifice back and took away the HP cost. Boy wasnt that sweet...)
Consumes all MP to deal damage to all enemies within range. Chance to inflict Bind (Uh oh Uh oh! Is that semi-creativity I smell? GOLD STAR for you SE chalk up 6!!)
Removes an enfeebling effect from the target. (looky there, Contagion got a Facelift and a nerf at the same time...)


BLM: Switches current HP and MP values (Even tho this is copy pasta from XI i'll give credit for the fact that it's new here chalk up 7!)
Deals lightning damage to target (Sounds like Burst to me..)
Puts all enemies within range of the target to sleep (ya that's new...LOL)
Deals fire damage to all enemies within range (Hey everyone Flares back in town and better than ever!...)
Deals ice damage to target and reduces enmity (Hey Freeze I'm lovin the makeover...)

In all honesty if you read between the lines with what they have done, you'll see some pretty lazy corner cutting moves being made here. While the new armor will be a nice cosmetic touch for the game, the Dev team has just recycled most of the skills they took away and altered them a bit.

Hell, if I was a betting man, i'd say that the way classes were before 1.20 would have been just as functional in party play as the new jobs will be, but that's one heck of a bait and switch to accuse SE of.

I really do think SE is cutting corners to feed the 7200 of you eager beavers left something before you riot.

Just don't bitch when it doesn't turn out to be made of /Awesomesauce

[Coglin]

No you didn't. djjdiss ....you didn't even know that job spells were. You posted that you couldn't even find the link and I posted all the job abilities for you.

I can twist any ability with your warped logic and call it a rehash of another. I mean yeah look at all those great books out there. All those cheaters did was use word that already existed, thus by your logic clearly every book every written is exactly a "lazy corner cutting" of the last.

And crayola with all those colors.....what liars right? evey one of them is a different combination of the 7 primary colors a human can see.

And all those movie makers lying to us with those movies in fancy colors whrn they only projected them in a mix of red, blue, and green.

[djjdiss]

Boy you're terrible at trying to derail a persons momentum. Speaking of twisting words, nice touch on trying to quote me out of context and just flat out ad lib/fabricate what I said.

I mentioned I was too lazy to do it, not that I couldn't. I knew some puffed up self-important puke, like yourself, would find it for me.

Do yourself a favor and blow your brains out, you've got nothing to lose...

[NoctisUmbra]

Glorified closed-minded observations based on limited preliminary information.


Just don't bitch when it doesn't turn out to be made of /Awesomesauce

Keep Q_Q'ing. I'd rather post my complaints after I see and try something for myself like a sensible person, rather than whine pointlessly about something I know next-to-nothing of.

[djjdiss]

Keep Q_Q'ing. I'd rather post my complaints after I see and try something for myself like a sensible person, rather than whine pointlessly about something I know next-to-nothing of.

You know this almost reminds me of all the naysayers who said "just wait till yoshi releases the info about the skills change. You don't know that CNJ and THM will be switched". What happened? just what I thought would, suckers flip-flopped.

Yoshi is predictable if anything. You guys give him and his team too much upfront credit. I guess you have to he's all you've got LMAO.

He's not the kind of person who can keep secrets very well or spring surprises on us, mainly since most of you bitch like you are here for leakages and spoilers.

So cut the crap and stop acting like what you read is not what you're gonna get in those tool-tips, [SIZE="5"]THEY'RE PRETTY DAMN SELF-EXPLANATORY[/SIZE]

So unless yoshi axes any of those skills and completely replaces them, I'm taking it as what it is and there's no reason you shouldn't do the same since SE is so ghetto they can't implement a damn test server because the game is inefficiently built and jerry-rigged to tax out their entire allotted amount of towers...

I mean hell we don't get info until last minuet. It's like SE wants to prevent us from being able to slow them down and bitch about their quality control and creativity in making the current offerings they're giving us to shut our mouths...

[NoctisUmbra]

You know this almost reminds me of all the naysayers who said "just wait till yoshi releases the info about the skills change. You don't know that CNJ and THM will be switched". What happened? just what I thought would, suckers flip-flopped.

Yoshi is predictable if anything. You guys give him and his team too much upfront credit. I guess you have to he's all you've got LMAO.

He's not the kind of person who can keep secrets very well or spring surprises on us, mainly since most of you bitch like you are here for leakages and spoilers.

So cut the crap and stop acting like what you read is not what you're gonna get in those tool-tips, [SIZE="5"]THEY'RE PRETTY DAMN SELF-EXPLANATORY[/SIZE]

So unless yoshi axes any of those skills and completely replaces them, I'm taking it as what it is and there's no reason you shouldn't do the same since SE is so ghetto they can't implement a damn test server because the game is inefficiently built and jerry-rigged to tax out their entire allotted amount of towers...

I mean hell we don't get info until last minuet. It's like SE wants to prevent us from being able to slow them down and bitch about their quality control and creativity in making the current offerings they're giving us to shut our mouths...

lol... are you done?

[Douten]

I mean hell we don't get info until last minuet. It's like SE wants to prevent us from being able to slow them down and bitch about their quality control and creativity in making the current offerings they're giving us to shut our mouths...

I'll have to disagree with the last part. Which patch/content specifically are you talking about where we don't get info until the last minute? I would argue the opposite, with their roadmap and all, that they're giving us about a year worth of info for us to have input on.