Lopsided reports?

[MistakeNot]

What do you mean by "hearing your side" ?
If you did or said something that is against the TOS, then you broke the rules and you can get warned or punished for that.
It does not really matter if you got provoked or not, you are still held responsible for what you do or say.

As for how common your experience is, I can't say for sure since I am not a GM, nor have I ever been warned by a GM. Judging from second-hand reports here on the forums, I think the way you got treated is pretty much standard procedure when GMs get involved - they can see in the logs what was actually said so there is no need for them to hear anyones side.

[Sunoske]

What do you mean by "hearing your side" ?
If you did or said something that is against the TOS, then you broke the rules and you can get warned or punished for that.
It does not really matter if you got provoked or not, you are still held responsible for what you do or say.

As for how common your experience is, I can't say for sure since I am not a GM, nor have I ever been warned by a GM. Judging from second-hand reports here on the forums, I think the way you got treated is pretty much standard procedure when GMs get involved - they can see in the logs what was actually said so there is no need for them to hear anyones side.

I know, I'm glad you decided to put your input in, however the question was kind of pointed to people who have had something similar happen in order to just grab some simple numbers for an assignment as previously stated.

[Awha]

It does seem like GM's in this game do not care about the context and just if a rule was broken. As an example in WoW I was reported for sending a MT regarding a player in the party and within that comment I did mention said player should go choke on their own bile among other things. Was venting with my guild while running the content with in the party. When the GM asked to speak with me they asked for my side and confirmed it by looking at the logs and saw that I was in fact having a conversation with my guild and even told me a time where they have done something similar and just told me to be more careful next time.

Now I cannot confirm if this counted as a warning towards my account, being as when I asked they said no action would be taken since it was an honest mistake and the person in question was not intended to see my comment in the first place. So they felt that no action needed be taken. If I were to do something like that here I probably would be rightfully punished, since my comment did break the rules end of story. I guess I prefer the more human aspect of WoW GM's in the past over the iron fist approach FFXIV GM's have.

Though for all I know they lied to me and I did get a strike on my account and they simply told me otherwise to prevent needless back and forth and end up wasting time of the GM fighting for something that was out of their control.

[Machi_Machiavelli]

So I got pulled into GM prison today, for the first time since the release of this game, I've usually never been one to lash out at others, so I know exactly why I was pulled in, however I get the feeling the GMs in this game are really lopsided and don't actually work with the players to find out both sides, instead just slapping people with warning when reported over something that could have easily been worked out, had both sides been seen. I even asked to actually speak with someone to point out my side and was told no, and given no actual details as to what was fully against the ToS regarding the wording I used, and how the reporting party was also harassing me.
I'm not really complaining, however I just wanted to know if anyone else feels the same with the system they have in place at the moment, if you've had someone really rude upset you then report you and get slapped with a warning without hearing your side?

I just find it odd that in a game you pay for a sub, I feel like I've seen better GM management and handling in free to play games.

(This is specifically just to get numbers for a classwork assignment, and this happening peaked my interest to use if for just that. I'm editing this in because too many people want to come in with a holier than thou attitude, when I'm simply trying to gather data, I know if I got a warning I deserved it and know exactly what I did as I stated. Feel free to keep posting and repeating the same thing if you wish, just putting this here for people who wish to comment without fully reading through.)

It seems you'll just have to report anyone you have conflict with, as they are probably going to report you as well if things get heated.

[Deithwen]

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I might have missread you, felt like you did not understand the GM decision for your warning.

GMs just apply the ToS, they are not judges, they just apply penalties according to their policy. They are also not allowed to disclose anything about what led them to this decision, and can just give you a vague reason.
I don't really understand what kind of numbers you want. In that case I'd say more than 99% of warnings and bans issued are due to ToS break and that's pretty much the end of it.

[Sunoske]

It does seem like GM's in this game do not care about the context and just if a rule was broken. As an example in WoW I was reported for sending a MT regarding a player in the party and within that comment I did mention said player should go choke on their own bile among other things. Was venting with my guild while running the content with in the party. When the GM asked to speak with me they asked for my side and confirmed it by looking at the logs and saw that I was in fact having a conversation with my guild and even told me a time where they have done something similar and just told me to be more careful next time.

Now I cannot confirm if this counted as a warning towards my account, being as when I asked they said no action would be taken since it was an honest mistake and the person in question was not intended to see my comment in the first place. So they felt that no action needed be taken. If I were to do something like that here I probably would be rightfully punished, since my comment did break the rules end of story. I guess I prefer the more human aspect of WoW GM's in the past over the iron fist approach FFXIV GM's have.

Though for all I know they lied to me and I did get a strike on my account and they simply told me otherwise to prevent needless back and forth and end up wasting time of the GM fighting for something that was out of their control.

That would give me the biggest anxiety of not knowing, thank you for the input though! :> Noted.

[Awha]

That would give me the biggest anxiety of not knowing, thank you for the input though! :> Noted.

I agree I wish we could see a history for what we have been reported for and what action has been taken against our account, since not knowing the exact details would bother me and I would ponder on that issue for days if not months. I obsess over things I do not know and wish to understand until I understand it.

[Sunoske]

I might have missread you, felt like you did not understand the GM decision for your warning.

GMs just apply the ToS, they are not judges, they just apply penalties according to their policy. They are also not allowed to disclose anything about what led them to this decision, and can just give you a vague reason.
I don't really understand what kind of numbers you want. In that case I'd say more than 99% of warnings and bans issued are due to ToS break and that's pretty much the end of it.

You're good! I understand completely and anticipated some people might take it oddly. It just works for a statistics assignment I'm currently doing, and plan to tie into an English assignment as well, I'm not creative at all, so all this happened at a time that actually gave me something to base it off of. (At the rate this is going I'm contemplating tying in post of people misunderstanding too. xD )

[Lunavi]

Once again please read the discussion -_- I already know this. If you don't have actual input it get a bit tedious having everyone repeat the same thing because they couldn't read previous posts.

How would you know that? They are not supposed to talk about things like who they have sent warnings too, all you know is that they were not interested in hearing you out as they had already formed their decission on the matter, and they presented what actions they were taking towards you as a result of said decission.

Unless you already know this fact (it has been unclear between your defending yourself and trying to diminish the concerns about this data when people have asked you), in which case I don’t know How you can make a topic asking people if they have had similar experiences with loopsided reports as you nor the people answering will be able to tell this as it is information you don’t have access to. This is of especially high importance if you are actually going to write an assignment on the topic.

[Gula]

-snop-

Someone showed me a screenshot of a... forceful, non-consenting sexual encounter *cough* posted in Novice Network. The poor, poor lad was just trying to get his ERP on but seemed to have forgotten to Alt+R.

In this case, he could have very well been reported but it was an honest accident. I would be curious on what would happen if a GM saw the full context.