Lopsided reports?

[Divinemights]

You didn't even read the discussion, I'm going to assume the first post as well. That question you quoted wasn't even too you, but to the woman who keeps repeating herself even though I've let them know it's just to see how many people feel they have had similar happenings. If you could please read not just jump in and play the "You did something wrong Ooooh!" Card like a child.

What a laughable argument, no wonder you do not why you are being reported. I have been reading this discussion and all I see is you are digging your own grave

[Warghoul570]

This is my biggest issue with this generation is these keyboard warriors have no back bone. Back in the old days of social gaming players would trash talk each other for days and no one went to a GM. Now these cowards will harass someone until they fight back then go crying victim to a GM. If your going to trash someone you should beam enough to take it to

[Vespar]

So I got pulled into GM prison today, for the first time since the release of this game, I've usually never been one to lash out at others, so I know exactly why I was pulled in, however I get the feeling the GMs in this game are really lopsided and don't actually work with the players to find out both sides, instead just slapping people with warning when reported over something that could have easily been worked out, had both sides been seen. I even asked to actually speak with someone to point out my side and was told no, and given no actual details as to what was fully against the ToS regarding the wording I used, and how the reporting party was also harassing me.
I'm not really complaining, however I just wanted to know if anyone else feels the same with the system they have in place at the moment, if you've had someone really rude upset you then report you and get slapped with a warning without hearing your side?

I just find it odd that in a game you pay for a sub, I feel like I've seen better GM management and handling in free to play games.

(This is specifically just to get numbers for a classwork assignment, and this happening peaked my interest to use if for just that. I'm editing this in because too many people want to come in with a holier than thou attitude, when I'm simply trying to gather data, I know if I got a warning I deserved it and know exactly what I did as I stated. Feel free to keep posting and repeating the same thing if you wish, just putting this here for people who wish to comment without fully reading through.)

This is when you turn around and slap the other person w/ harassment claim also. (It feels to me based off what Ive seen, that whoever reports someone, seems to get the GMs side and be immune from the consequences of whatever altercation took place). So if you feel you were being harassed, no matter how small, just report them move on. Let the Gm handle it and protect yourself.

[Lunavi]

Or perhaps you're putting words and ideals of what you would do, onto me? I've stated to simply ask if anyone had anything similar happen, if they know or feel something did, they will speak up, otherwise, what is you point?

My point is that you can’t simply sweep the entirety of your post (including the very question in the topic itself itself) by refering to one single line at the very bottom of a several paragrafs long OP where you specifically ask of the opinions of people who specifically are in your situation. First of all, I am in no way adding my own ideals (whatever you mean in this context) upon your actions.

The topic is literally ”Lopsided reports?” and I and several people pointed out How your story does not in anyway form a conclusive point at this, no matter How many people who would chime in as GMs in those cases as well would have to keep relevant details hidden due to the rules, not because we don’t trust your story nor because we would think your story is less worth because you got a warning (everyone have a bad day, that just from the story to judge seemed to be yours and someone literally pushed you, I get that). For all you know it maybe even wasn’t the person you had a heated discussion with who reported you But someone else in the party in case you were in a dungeon, who also reported them (this is ofc not true if it was in whisper, But even then you would not know what punishment they recieved) for all you would know in this case you might actually have come off the hook easy due to the circumstances as a warning from a GM is by no means a serious punishment, it is literally them telling you that you do not do things like this and if they see it happen again they might have to take action.

But whenever anyone points out that this very thing is shaky as a ground to form a good opinion on the actual question in the title of the topic you dismiss is as off topic and people attacking you and not having anything relevant to add. However, this part is actually vital to the very question you ask in the title itself. The very fact that you claim that you do not care if they got a warning or not is irrelevant here as it is EXTREMELY relevant when talking about whenever or not the rules are lopsided ö.

It sounds more and more like that the topic you really want to discuss is if people think that GMs communicion is lacking when giving out warnings and what experience others have had with their communication, But that is not the title of this topic.

I know this might sound like a huge technicality, But when you accuse people of going off topic and not answering your questions and discussing the topic at hand when we literally discuss the topic in the title, this is a very important technicality to point out.

[SenorPatty]

So I got pulled into GM prison today, for the first time since the release of this game, I've usually never been one to lash out at others, so I know exactly why I was pulled in, however I get the feeling the GMs in this game are really lopsided and don't actually work with the players to find out both sides, instead just slapping people with warning when reported over something that could have easily been worked out, had both sides been seen. I even asked to actually speak with someone to point out my side and was told no, and given no actual details as to what was fully against the ToS regarding the wording I used, and how the reporting party was also harassing me.
I'm not really complaining, however I just wanted to know if anyone else feels the same with the system they have in place at the moment, if you've had someone really rude upset you then report you and get slapped with a warning without hearing your side?

I just find it odd that in a game you pay for a sub, I feel like I've seen better GM management and handling in free to play games.

(This is specifically just to get numbers for a classwork assignment, and this happening peaked my interest to use if for just that. I'm editing this in because too many people want to come in with a holier than thou attitude, when I'm simply trying to gather data, I know if I got a warning I deserved it and know exactly what I did as I stated. Feel free to keep posting and repeating the same thing if you wish, just putting this here for people who wish to comment without fully reading through.)

To respond in the bold:

In this particular scenario, I do not feel like how you were being handled was lopsided. All parties are in the know of what you did. I understand you wanted details of why you were thrown in jail and making your side known but I just don't see the point of being redundant when you and the GM both know what you did. Maybe there's a case for wanting details so you can see how you specifically broke TOS rules but personally, if I had "lashed out" to someone else, I wouldn't be interested in making this longer than usual. Even if I wanted to, I'd have to ask myself "to what end" do I want all these details from A to Z, especially since--I have to quote you here--"I know exactly why I was pulled in".

[Krotoan]

however I just wanted to know if anyone else feels the same with the system they have in place at the moment, if you've had someone really rude upset you then report you and get slapped with a warning without hearing your side?

No. Because that's not how it works. You get reported for what you said/did. Mitigating circumstances aren't a thing in FFXIV's reporting system. I understand that no matter what someone does to me, if I respond in an actionable manner I may get disciplined.

This is not because I'm better than you, I just understand how it works. Now you do too and perhaps in the future it may keep you from being actioned upon. No matter how justified you feel you may be, you will still be punished if you break rules. This is not a justice system, this is a video game with company owned servers that can be managed however the company wishes.

[alimdia]

GM under SE policy is known for being good at their job.

That made me laugh way more than it should. We have pretty good comedians here. Good job.

@OP

however I get the feeling the GMs in this game are really lopsided and don't actually work with the players to find out both sides, instead just slapping people with warning when reported over something that could have easily been worked out, had both sides been seen

They see both sides before they take actions, they don't care about your words post report, they care about the chat log evidence, nothing you say will change their evidence.

[...] and how the reporting party was also harassing me.

You don't know if they already know that, although there's very low chance the reporter would get in trouble. Whoever reports first tends to be immune.

I'm not really complaining, however I just wanted to know if anyone else feels the same with the system they have in place at the moment, if you've had someone really rude upset you then report you and get slapped with a warning without hearing your side?

If you want numbers, here's your number: every single person who was pulled into GM jail as part of a player conflict was slapped with a warning/ban without hearing their side, because that's how their policy works.

[LauraAdalena]

So, a few things.

1. you sound like me when I was like 10-12 years old. "But that person did something bad too." My parents never told me if my sister got punished too because that defeated the purpose.

2. You're asking if it feels lopsided but your evidence is clearly one-sided but you also ask that people answer a question that requires both sides after saying that the GMs didn't take your side into account. Think about how that sounds.

3. In my opinion this is the most important one, you've been given answers to your question but you outright say that it's not an acceptable answer or that it doesn't answer your question. And the answer to your question is:

It's not lopsided. And even if it is, we don't know because they don't disclose from one person to another who they punish or why only the people they punish. But that's not the problem here, the problem is that you did something that was against the TOS. The person reported you. The GM who took the report looked through the logs of the time that was provided to them to look through to find out when and where the TOS violation occurred, and they found you guilty enough but it wasn't serious enough for a warning. Accept that.

[SomeRandomHuman]

TL;DR Never speak to anyone unless spoken to. Answer in very concise and simplistic ways; note that "Concise" Is different from "Blunt."

I recommend only addressing anything in relation to relevance. If someone talks about X only discuss X. Not Y. Not Z. just X. If Y or Z have relevance let the other person bring it up and if they don't then leave it at that.

[Awha]

Referring to someone as snarky is rude? Even given the context of the comment I cannot see how that is rude. I get how someone may view it as a means of facilitating a response from the person, but rude? That is a leap imo.