"New game plus - quests will have no rewards..."

[MsQi]

No EXP for New Game Plus because it would be too easy/quick to do since you have flying mounts and aetherytes for all these zones.

There are a still a ton of much quicker ways to gain exp. It would only be significant exp. for leveling alt jobs, that are around the level of the quest. If you start MSQ at level 1 you would still need to supplement with something else. If you are 60, doing 1 to 60 msq might get you to 65 and that's a few days work.

[Brynne]

I'm also one of the people who are a bit disappointed that the quests won't offer exp, because I thought playing through the story might be a good way to level some of my jobs that I don't really want to play in dungeons and possibly get the Amaro mount without having to POTD/HOH them, but eh, it's not a big deal. Just a "would have been nice". I totally get the concerns about people using them as the primary source of exp and increasing queues, but I can't help but feel like it'd just turn out like people's concerns over the Trust system making it so no one queues for those dungeons any more. Still, SE has the statistics, not me, so I just have to assume they know better than I do.

Regardless, I will still use NG+ for sure because I love the story and want to replay it on my main (for the record, I have a bunch of alts at varying stages of MSQ and I still want the ability to replay it on my main even without the exp - it's a totally different experience).

I haven't seen it mentioned in this thread, but is anyone else hoping that replaying through ShB will include the ability to play Holmeister Switch with the Exarch and Lyna in your party? I mean, it might just have you use your current Trusts, but I'm hoping it'll be like it was when you played the MSQ the first time because I'd love to run that dungeon a few times with them. I also want to replay certain job quests, so I was glad to see them still being listed as something that might come in the future. All in all, super hyped for this feature. 5.1 can't come soon enough!

[Sclair0]

I probably wont be using NG+ cause I already use alts to replay story on different jobs. (Unless they introduce achievement rewards or something for it later)

I would say though... My alts get EXP and gold and stuff. If people were gonna abuse the system then the system is already there ripe for abuse, you can already use story exp to level every job to 80 via alts and have a shit ton of high quality crap you can trade back to your main. Asking for EXP on new game plus honestly isn't asking for much more than a QoL change letting that exp move from alts only to all characters.

If its considered way too easy, then cool have it be half the original exp reward or something. But as someone who levels whatever Im not maining casually rather than optimally purely because I find running the same thing over and over boring af, more varied ways to level is good for a game imo.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

This feature is great for me. I have a legacy character with every event reward. I have made alts and they just rot because they aren't "my character".

I've wanted to redo bits of the story because it's literally been years, and yet, without my character, it's pointless.

Already have everything leveled, so xp isn't a factor.


They made this for people like me.

[Moonlite]

It isn't hurting anyone dude. It may be pointless to you, but plenty of people will replay the story. No one using it or tons using it, it doesn't detract from the main game whatsoever.

It actually might be hurting other players. Dev team always says if we do X we can't do Y. So if NG+ is X what content did they drop or postpone to do it? Maybe they changed how we get quests from 70 to 80 so they could work more on this. Purely random example of something that had been streamlined off the top of my head.



I also find it kind of amusing reading comments from people confused about this. They clearly don't know how "Passionate" this player base is about MSQ.

[Melichoir]

It actually might be hurting other players. Dev team always says if we do X we can't do Y. So if NG+ is X what content did they drop or postpone to do it?.

This is the resources argument though. Yes, in pragmatism it would detract resources from something else, but no one can say that "X would be better if not for Y". Nor is there proof that they would work on X if not for Y, instead then focusing on Z. It also then gets majorly subjective. Devs spend a lot of time on savage and Ultimate, yet a small portion of players use both. The resource argument applies here. It also applies to GS, or Fates, Or EX or whatever. New glamours? Thats eating resources from some other project.

The resource point is always a mess and subjective to the point where it is almost meaningless. The true point is the devs trying to balance between what they know is gonna be more niche vs what has wide appeal. They gotta do both for the game to remain healthy. they keep putting off niche projects in favor of 'widespread appeal', theyll end up stepping on everyone's toes eventually and making things to easy/generic.

IMO, NG+ was inevitable. The game is to expansive for it not to exist. Part of the fun of a deep story is to be able to replay certain parts. The 'Unending Journey' table was only a stop gap at best. And mind you, people arent actually complaining NG+ exists. The core complaint is that it doesnt exist in a capacity they want (Namely exp). Soon as it doesnt have exp, its a 'worthless feature'. Which tells me the issue isnt with NG+, its that people want another leveling method.

[Iscah]

There's been no confirmation of any other side content, but there's been player requests for some of the ongoing side stories (like Manderville), so that may or may not be a possibility at some point down the road, though one-off sidequests almost certainly won't.

The slide from the live letter said that job quests, Chronicles of a New Era (eg. trials/raids) and side stories (I think that includes Hildibrand) would be added at a later date.

I would say though... My alts get EXP and gold and stuff. If people were gonna abuse the system then the system is already there ripe for abuse, you can already use story exp to level every job to 80 via alts and have a shit ton of high quality crap you can trade back to your main.

I have alts, but they need that equipment and gil a lot more than my main does. They're permanently underfunded because they've leveled less classes (thus less roulette rewards), have few/no crafters, and I still want to buy them glamours.

On a different alt-related note, the announcement of NG+ means I can stop holding back on leveling them because I don't want to 'spend' their one chance to go through the story now, only to find the next patch released really makes me want to revisit something I've already cleared and can't go back to.

[Moonlite]

This is the resources argument though. Yes, in pragmatism it would detract resources from something else, but no one can say that "X would be better if not for Y". Nor is there proof that they would work on X if not for Y, instead then focusing on Z. It also then gets majorly subjective. Devs spend a lot of time on savage and Ultimate, yet a small portion of players use both. The resource argument applies here. It also applies to GS, or Fates, Or EX or whatever. New glamours? Thats eating resources from some other project.

The resource point is always a mess and subjective to the point where it is almost meaningless. The true point is the devs trying to balance between what they know is gonna be more niche vs what has wide appeal. They gotta do both for the game to remain healthy. they keep putting off niche projects in favor of 'widespread appeal', theyll end up stepping on everyone's toes eventually and making things to easy/generic.

IMO, NG+ was inevitable. The game is to expansive for it not to exist. Part of the fun of a deep story is to be able to replay certain parts. The 'Unending Journey' table was only a stop gap at best. And mind you, people arent actually complaining NG+ exists. The core complaint is that it doesnt exist in a capacity they want (Namely exp). Soon as it doesnt have exp, its a 'worthless feature'. Which tells me the issue isnt with NG+, its that people want another leveling method.

Yes, but the person I quoted implied that this content has no impact on any other player. The devs are always first to use resource defense, so you can't just wave it off. I do agree we will never truly know the cause of picking this over something else we may never see. People are saying this was asked for lots. While some people will still want it. You think some of the clamor would have disappeared if they were told it is just rerunning NPCs talking and killing a few guys so they could feel the immersion again.


I am not really looking forward to the posts. Oh people you should do chapter 2.44, because some npc mentions what is happening in 5.1.


Not really looked through LL. Is this before or after they fix the bloat in the MSQ or simultaneous. Which would explain a lot. It allows them to archive quests that they remove and allow new players to move through MSQ faster, but also keep lore off to the side for people who want to see it.

[Fynlar]

what is the "+" in NG+ if it offers no rewards or benefits?

The + has typically referred to getting to replay a game's storyline while continuing to use the characters you developed in the previous playthrough, usually with at least some degree of their levels/skills/equipment intact. In other words, exactly what's happening here.

[Niwashi]

Is this before or after they fix the bloat in the MSQ or simultaneous.

The first part to come out will only have the expansions' MSQ (because it will be before the ARR rewrite). They'll add the ARR portion of the MSQ to this New Game + feature when they rewrite it, so we'll get to replay the new version, but not the original one.