Why is RDM invisible right now? Where is the outrage?

[Kabooa]

I think you're misinterpreting what she was saying.

She wants RDM to bring second highest RDPS contribution behind dancer and tied with NIN. Changing up embolden to all damage would put us allot closer to that. Its the typical model for classes that deal low personal damage.

High PDPS > Hybrid PDPS > Low PDPS.
Low RDPS < Hybrid DPS < High RDPS.

Examples are:
MCH BRD DNC
WHM SCH AST
BLM SMN RDM

Okay.

How would you do this?

Because most of what's being asked for is potency buffs, and that doesn't fit this model well - When buffing is statistically a low part of total damage outputs, equalizing "RDPS" with potency buffs means the jobs who are "PDPS = RDPS" get edged out.

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statisti...5&dpstype=pdps

Take this as an example - Aggregate data of good runs.

Red mage's RDPS is 400 higher than it's ADPS (AKA PDPS + Group buffs). If we are to equalize the RDPS to Black Mage (~1900), and do this solely via potency buffs, then Red mage's ADPS is 15,400. At a glance this doesn't seem so bad, except for one thing.

The Black Mage is wholly independent of everyone else for its damage contribution. A Black Mage is always [arbitrary] number. It never changes on the group composition. It never changes on whether or not others capitalize on buff windows, for indeed it applies none.

If it's 15,000, it will always be 15,000.

If the Red Mage is 15,000, it can be 14,500. It can be 15,500. It can be [Personal +/- raid variance], and the issue is that raid variance isn't really that significant a portion of damage in the grand scheme of things. If at all levels of play the Red Mage should be in the same ball park as the Black Mage, it's a small raid variance with a high static value (Personal DPS).

And at that point, why even bother bringing the Black Mage? The Red mage will be just as good and can swing higher when your team is better.

That 700 more DPS the Black mage does (but not really - RDPS is RDPS, and they're going to be the same, if RDM won't be higher) means you kill faster. Sure, speedkilling.

When teams are pushing something along the lines of 100,000 DPS, 700 more dps would be .7%.

If your kill time with the Black Mage is 7:21 (441 seconds) then you kill time without one is 444.

[Zerathor]

I've never claimed any of this and on this same day in this same post i told you how i felt the DPS meta should be, 1 Pure, 1-2 Medium and 1-2 Hyper utility, i've linked post that detail how i wanted this, i've never said i don't think BLM should be meta in speeds, my complaints are that BLM can't work with RDM and that the gap between RDM/SMN and BLM is far too big. NONE of the casters are that hard, as none of the jobs in this game are that difficult. BLM isn't way harder than RDM/SMN and if you asked. Most would say SMN is the hardest caster with how clunky it is. (Should we make it the meta pick?) please stop with this braindead position. nobody wants to take your speed kill spot, we just don't want to be literal detriments to the raid because BLM is THAT much better than RDM and SMN.



https://www.fflogs.com/character/na/.../jack%20cinder


Why don't you explain yours, I can surely explain mine

for being in a midcore casual static that barely goes a few hours a week, high purple and orange is pretty decent imo. dafuq's your excuse for being as much a tryhard and playing a supposed bad job. that isn't very tryhard.

[Wayfinder3]

for being in a midcore casual static that barely goes a few hours a week, high purple and orange is pretty decent imo. dafuq's your excuse for being as much a tryhard and playing a supposed bad job

excuses lmao. i play RDM because i like it even if i hate it's implementation, i don't care abut speed killing and my static only runs weeklies til ultimate unless we're bored that night

[Kabooa]

excuses lmao. i play RDM because i like it even if i hate it's implementation, i don't care abut speed killing and my static only runs weeklies til ultimate unless we're bored that night

I highlighted this part, because I'm in the same boat.

All the "Black mage would still be good in speedkills" doesn't mean much if we're not speedkilling.

[Zerathor]

excuses lmao. i play RDM because i like it even if i hate it's implementation, i don't care abut speed killing and my static only runs weeklies til ultimate unless we're bored that night

excuses? lmao. I work 72 hours a damn week and some kid who doesn't understand basic math and does nothing but play rdm while competing against virtually zero rdm has a better score.
imagine.
my.
shock.

not sure what you were really trying to gain with this
do tell me more

[Katie_Kitty]

Well this thread has officially jumped the shark with the FFlogs circlejerking. Yikes.

[Wayfinder3]

I highlighted this part, because I'm in the same boat.

All the "Black mage would still be good in speedkills" doesn't mean much if we're not speedkilling.

It would mean alot, it mean your job with be inherently safe and never truly a bad pick. you could being a BLM to prog and still actually prog by different means. RDM raise adds a defensive cushion that gets worse over time. BLM would have an offensive cushion which doesn't get worse. so even if you don't speed kill, your job is still effectove at all levels except for ultimate where raise matters alot more due to the length, repetition, and difficulty. BLM had the most clears of this raid tier as early as week 3 and that speaks to raise not meaning much in savage progression. tl;dr, the savage content is too easy for the BLM to truly be a hinderance unless you're aiming for world first and RDM raise isn't as valuable outside of that uber niche scenario. so when you say "Black mage would still be good in speedkills doesn't mean much if we're not speedkilling" It actually means your job will always be desired as a saftey net pick. This was NIN prior to 5.0

excuses? lmao. I work 72 hours a damn week and some kid who doesn't understand basic math and does nothing but play rdm while competing against virtually zero rdm has a better score.
imagine.
my.
shock.

not sure what you were really trying to gain with this
do tell me more

it's pretty easy to be good any job if you're disciplined enough to learn. you work 72 hours a week. Imagine working 60 hours inbetween, going to school and pursuing an education to further my future. please stop talking when you don't even know what you're talking about.

as far as difficulty and meta relevance, i played AST to great success in alphascape so if you truly believe the only reason my parses are good because nobody is playing RDM

https://www.fflogs.com/character/id/...ec=Astrologian here you go.

[Zerathor]

It would mean alot, it mean your job with be inherently safe and never truly a bad pick. you could being a BLM to prog and still actually prog by different means. RDM raise adds a defensive cushion that gets worse over time. BLM would have an offensive cushion which doesn't get worse. so even if you don't speed kill, your job is still effectove at all levels except for ultimate where raise matters alot more due to the length, repetition, and difficulty. BLM had the most clears of this raid tier as early as week 3 and that speaks to raise not meaning much in savage progression. tl;dr, the savage content is too easy for the BLM to truly be a hinderance unless you're aiming for world first and RDM raise isn't as valuable outside of that uber niche scenario. so when you say "Black mage would still be good in speedkills doesn't mean much if we're not speedkilling" It actually means your job will always be desired as a saftey net pick. This was NIN prior to 5.0



it's pretty easy to be good any job if you're disciplined enough to learn. you work 72 hours a week. Imagine working 60 hours inbetween, going to school and pursuing an education to further my future. please stop talking when you don't even know what you're talking about.

as far as difficulty and meta relevance, i played AST to great success in alphascape so if you truly believe the only reason my parses are good because nobody is playing RDM

https://www.fflogs.com/character/id/...ec=Astrologian here you go.

Imagine... almost like I've already done it.

[Wayfinder3]

Imagine... almost like I've already done it.

Is this the part where you tell me how you graduated top of your class in the Navy Seals, and how you've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and that time where you got over 300 confirmed kills. pray tell of your experiences training in gorilla warfare which helped you become the top sniper in the entire US armed forces

no, this is the part where i tell you that you're nothing special. you've been through nothing vastly unique to other people, and only have 4 percentile to show for it with decent groups. which again brings my point up, what did you seek to gain from this?

Never claimed to be special, you decided to flex your parses on someone as if that gave you some sort of authority on the subject. What i seek to gain from this is the same thing BLMs wanted for so long. to be better balanced. the question is why are you here. Even kabooa has acknowledge that there are at least compromises to be made for caster balance without immediately resorting to. if RDM gets buffed, BLM will be worthless. Meanwhile, you seem to perpeutally plague every single RDM post with this idea that BLM is entitled to it's current position regardless of what that means for the other casters.

So i ask, why are you here?

[Zerathor]

Is this the part where you tell me how you graduated top of your class in the Navy Seals, and how you've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and that time where you got over 300 confirmed kills. pray tell of your experiences training in gorilla warfare which helped you become the top sniper in the entire US armed forces

no, this is the part where i tell you that you're nothing special. you've been through nothing vastly unique to other people, and only have 4 percentile to show for it with decent groups. which again brings my point up, what did you seek to gain from this? I was comparing against somebody who legitimately has not even stepped into savage. There's a comparison to be made there. This? next to nothing

Never claimed to be special, you decided to flex your parses on someone as if that gave you some sort of authority on the subject. What i seek to gain from this is the same thing BLMs wanted for so long. to be better balanced. the question is why are you here. Even kabooa has acknowledge that there are at least compromises to be made for caster balance without immediately resorting to. if RDM gets buffed, BLM will be worthless. Meanwhile, you seem to perpeutally plague every single RDM post with this idea that BLM is entitled to it's current position regardless of what that means for the other casters.

So i ask, why are you here?

On somebody trying to talk about something they have never even personally seen as though they understand what they're saying. They didn't, they haven't seen what the version of the game you want looks like, and its tiresome to see people being this blatantly ignorant to what is already history talking as though they're a subject expert. And as you seem to *perpetually plague every thread with some misguided vision that red mage should be a god tier caster. You don't believe it is but by what you want, it would just be smn 2.0, nothing less. smn and rdm could use a light buff, not being in a meta kill speed group. Because even people who aren't doing speedkills will lock out blm for the better blm that can raise if that becomes the case, for prog, for general reclears, for speed. Because average people are just... stupid, they don't care what they're group needs, they only care for what the "meta" is even if they have zero capability of properly using it.

Its all just so... tiresome.

suppose it doesn't even matter. I can tell you from experience that SE doesn't care whats on the forums. I'll tell you the future right now, blm will be right down in the gutter with you come next month, and you can change your scapegoat to smn after that.