Tanks and super pulls

[Rasikko]

I find doing pulls of any size outside of what's there to be really pointless. No matter how much I pull, or how fast the DPS melts things, the dungeon is still finished around 20 minutes.

Generally though I don't trust doing big pulls in DF, because:
1. I don't know the healer.
2. I don't know the other 2 folks.
3. I don't exactly remember the mob placement in every dungeon.

Will grab 2 packs, if takes too long, I'll stick to small.

But then there are small packs that function like they are big packs(just about every pack in Dusk Vigil for example). High damage small packs aren't fun.

[Metalwrath]

I find doing pulls of any size outside of what's there to be really pointless. No matter how much I pull, or how fast the DPS melts things, the dungeon is still finished around 20 minutes.

Generally though I don't trust doing big pulls in DF, because:
1. I don't know the healer.
2. I don't know the other 2 folks.
3. I don't exactly remember the mob placement in every dungeon.

Will grab 2 packs, if takes too long, I'll stick to small.

But then there are small packs that function like they are big packs(just about every pack in Dusk Vigil for example). High damage small packs aren't fun.

I take it you dont know anything about summoners skills then?

[Besame]

I take it you dont know anything about summoners skills then?

They are nerfing SMR in 4.2, enjoy it now.

[Ramzakristos]

this is a problem on this community for sure.I am a tank and i do bigger pulls and sometimes i am guilty of not asking as well.however i must say i have made the mistake of pulling more than we can handle,when that happens i never blame the healer or dps.the reason for this is simple,if i am to control the flow and speed of a dungeon i must gauge the the capabilities of my team.failing to ask the healer what pulls he wants is,in fact,a fail on MY part.pulling more than we can handle also a fail on MY part.i believe the problem lies,mostly,with the tank and their ability to accept responsibility for their role.now i know i will probably be laughed at but my definition of a super tank is not how many mobs you can get in one go.but our ability to gauge and manage the pulls in a way that reduces stress of your healer and dps.this will conclude on a fast,easy and enjoyable dungeons for all.perhaps it is a idealistic response to this post but i do think that the idea of super tank here is wrong.and the correct term for those types of tanks described here are nothing more than a crappy tank or a scrub.

[Samsta]

As a healer I love it when tank pulls wall to wall, gives me something to do and makes the run go faster. I rarely see tanks who do this not using their cooldowns.

[Winterr62]

It can go other ways too, where dps or healers demand huge pulls. I tend to try for a middle ground, because pulling the whole area is nightmare of confusion.

I have been in this game since release and I have YET to hear dps or healer for that matter ask for bigger pulls

[Lemuel81]

As someone who has tanked most of his mmo time, across most games. If it is trivial and I can sustain myself I am going to pull everything that I can handle if I am in the mood. I do inspect the healers to see if they are new or under geared. My advice to you, let the tank die. Yup just sit there and be like, "Hey bud how did that work out for you?" It is as simple as that.

[Reinfeld]

I have been in this game since release and I have YET to hear dps or healer for that matter ask for bigger pulls

I'd guess a lot of people (myself included) just don't voice the opinion that they feels the run is going too slow. I do sometimes tell the tank at the start or during the run that I can handle big pulls, but it rarely ever bears fruit.

[Ursa_Vonfiebryd]

*Still waiting for the 'you should get gud' response*

I'm actually suprised by all the calm, non-angry responses in this thread. Once upon a time (*cough* last expac *cough*) a post like this would be filled with toxic posturing on how wall-to-wall pulls is the norm and everyone who can't (or just doesn't) do this is trash. This was back when tanks had a DPS stance and if you weren't in it 99% of the time, you were again, trash. To the point of expecting the rest of the group to manage their own enmity, along with optimized dps output--no matter the role.

Now you see where this attitude stems from. I see it a lot less now because the roles have been restructured to not be flavor dps like people were using them as. But it will likely be a while before it dies down in earnest.

My stance has always been that Tank directs the flow of the duty--not to their whims, but to the strength and weaknesses of their team. I'm glad to see there are like-minded individuals out there that aren't being repressed by popular opinion (read:Meta). Good to see you all. *waves*

[Kanitezz]

What counts as a "super" pull?