Tanks and super pulls

[NephthysVasudan]

You'd be surprised to see how often tanks out dps the dps. Big pulls aren't going anywhere jus something ull have to get use to

I fully acknowledge and understand this...but when you make it to the boss fight with less than 50% Mana as a white mage and you get ignored with your request to "wait leme recharge" - and barely survive the fight.....yeah....not a great game.

My point is not that I can't do it...I do pretty damn well in-spite of it.....its just a sour game....its more enjoyable when I can kick my feet up and play the game...not when I have to hammer my controller pad and bang the keyboard to save the tanks over-indulgent ass from the fire...and then get a shower after feeling like i went through a major workout.

At least as a tank i can casually "tank" - wish I could do the same as healer.

DPS - queues are too long - so yeah.

But I know...they wont go anywhere...so I make friends who are like minded enough to be forgiving and understanding.

[Mavrias]

I fully acknowledge and understand this...but when you make it to the boss fight with less than 50% Mana as a white mage and you get ignored with your request to "wait leme recharge" - and barely survive the fight.....yeah....not a great game.

My point is not that I can't do it...I do pretty damn well in-spite of it.....its just a sour game....its more enjoyable when I can kick my feet up and play the game...not when I have to hammer my controller pad and bang the keyboard to save the tanks over-indulgent ass from the fire...and then get a shower after feeling like i went through a major workout.

At least as a tank i can casually "tank" - wish I could do the same as healer.

DPS - queues are too long - so yeah.

What are you doing in a boss fight that with all the tools you have you barely survive a boss fight that you started at half mana? Thats sounds like major overheal.

[NintenPyjak64]

What are you doing in a boss fight that with all the tools you have you barely survive a boss fight that you started at half mana? Thats sounds like major overheal.

That and it sounds like they're not making liberal use of Thin Air, Assize, Lucid, the free abilities, maybe there's also casters not taking Mana Shift in some cases. It's also possible they're leaning more on Cures and less on Regens. I don't play WHM too much, but I've never had MP issues what-so-ever, we basically have infinite mana

[NephthysVasudan]

That and it sounds like they're not making liberal use of Thin Air, Assize, Lucid, the free abilities, maybe there's also casters not taking Mana Shift in some cases. It's also possible they're leaning more on Cures and less on Regens. I don't play WHM too much, but I've never had MP issues what-so-ever, we basically have infinite mana

Its called getting a idiot tank who couldn't care less about how he pulls aggro prior to a major fight. And DPS'ers on the top of that who are not entirely smart about avoiding damage.

Don't matter how many tools you got - resources are always limited.

I still got through - but id like the game to be fun...not a chore.

Edit - And for the record - you can't always guarantee you have those tools depending on the level of the dungeon.

-Neph

[NephthysVasudan]

What are you doing in a boss fight that with all the tools you have you barely survive a boss fight that you started at half mana? Thats sounds like major overheal.

Its called getting a idiot tank who couldn't care less about how he pulls aggro prior to a major fight. And DPS'ers on the top of that who are not entirely smart about avoiding damage.

Don't matter how many tools you got - resources are always limited.

I still got through - but id like the game to be fun...not a chore.

-Neph

[Mavrias]

Its called getting a idiot tank who couldn't care less about how he pulls aggro prior to a major fight. And DPS'ers on the top of that who are not entirely smart about avoiding damage.

Don't matter how many tools you got - resources are always limited.

I still got through - but id like the game to be fun...not a chore.

-Neph

We kick tanks that refuse to hold aggro. And we tell those dps to either dodge or eat the floor. And even if the dps dont dodge, regens go a long way rather than dropping cure 2 bombs. Not to mention all your mp recovery cooldowns. One of which you will always have no matter how low youre synced.

[winsock]

At least as a tank i can casually "tank" - wish I could do the same as healer.

Could you clarify what you mean by casually healing?

You play WHM.
On the healing end of a large pull, most of your job is spamming cure II i.e. pressing one button over and over.
The only other GCD you'll use fairly consistently is Regen.
"Regen -> Cure II spam -> Repeat" is sufficient for most large pulls.
The 2 button rotation of "Regen -> Cure II spam -> Repeat" is pretty hardcore casual right?

On some of the more healing intensive pulls or for the sake of managing your MP, you may need to sprinkle in some oGCD abilities, but its not like you're being asked to deal with difficult mechanics or anything while this is going on. Could you give an example of what you would deem casual? Tanks and DPS need to activate skills constantly and use way more than 2 buttons.

[dragonseth07]

Could you clarify what you mean by casually healing?

So, I have an FC mate with the same attitude as this individual. It basically boils down to it being easier to heal smaller pulls. Same with tanking. The time saved by mass pulling is irrelevant to them, and the added difficulty is just not worth it. It's not about efficiency or speed or skill. It's about being able to play with one hand, drink a beer with the other, and eventually win.

It's not a viewpoint I agree with, but it is common in this game.

[NephthysVasudan]

So, I have an FC mate with the same attitude as this individual. It basically boils down to it being easier to heal smaller pulls. Same with tanking. The time saved by mass pulling is irrelevant to them, and the added difficulty is just not worth it. It's not about efficiency or speed or skill. It's about being able to play with one hand, drink a beer with the other, and eventually win.

It's not a viewpoint I agree with, but it is common in this game.

Pretty much this.
its supposed to be a game...one to enjoy and have fun with. When I say casual i'm not talking about sitting on my ass and twiddling with my staff.
I'm talking about enjoying the dungeon and not having to do critical saves 75% of the bloody time.

Yes...big pulls are going to be a common occurrence...lately people however are being total ass's about it when they go wrong.

Solution in my case is to find friends who know this and will adapt for the parties sake and keep the game going...make it enjoyable...regardless of mistakes or errors.
there are many viewpoints - and I'm sure most are valid - but the one that assumes we just spam cure II like its candy and its no big deal? Is going to cost you dearly.
Problem is most just assume we are bad healers cause we can't handle big pulls. - And just in case there's debate on my abilities on this? I can handle big pulls. I just get tired of having to walk away from the game because I feel like i did a 6 hour run for a 15 min dungeon. THAT...is my point.

*raises Dr. Pepper in toast to Dragonseth07*

-Neph

[NephthysVasudan]

Could you clarify what you mean by casually healing?

You play WHM.
On the healing end of a large pull, most of your job is spamming cure II i.e. pressing one button over and over.
The only other GCD you'll use fairly consistently is Regen.
"Regen -> Cure II spam -> Repeat" is sufficient for most large pulls.
The 2 button rotation of "Regen -> Cure II spam -> Repeat" is pretty hardcore casual right?

On some of the more healing intensive pulls or for the sake of managing your MP, you may need to sprinkle in some oGCD abilities, but its not like you're being asked to deal with difficult mechanics or anything while this is going on. Could you give an example of what you would deem casual? Tanks and DPS need to activate skills constantly and use way more than 2 buttons.

Yes... spamming regen and crue II is so utterly casual and easy. Totally nailed that one on the head....yep.

-Neph