Why is RDM invisible right now? Where is the outrage?

[Zerathor]

Sure maybe normal duties.. but while it is not completely non relavant jobs should be balanced from the harder content and not from just running potd or regular duties. (not implying you btw)
Harder content is where the picture becomes very clear just how weak RM currently is

To be fair, those solo runs were a decently competitive thing. And difficult.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...dcgroup=Primal

And even in savage, I still don't feel they're as horrible as everyone says they are. They're low for sure, but I think it would have taken longer for my group to clear without one. It's a strong learning tool to make people know the fight faster, and then it still has the damage to clear.

[Jkap_Goat]

whats even the purpose of this comment? are you mad that Raise doesn't mean anything to RDM?

Raise it's part of red mage's kit, it's part of its support utility just like vercure is. I like having my raise utility and I don't feel it's useless.

[Wayfinder3]

Taking away raise wouldn't strip RDM of it's identity, Yeah its a common spell RDM had in past games but so was Protect for WHM

They are not gonna take it away in ShB RDM will most likely only get pot buff and we gotta deal with storm blood rdm with verscathe and Scorch for two more years

Personally(my own feelings towards RDMs implementation) You're so right and i want to quit the job because of it. IDEK if potency buffs would make me like this job anymore, perhaps its fatigue but the job just seems so uninspired beyond how cool it looks. On BLM and WHM, Fire/Stone magic was damage, Aero/Thunder were dots, Ice was Mp recovery. the spells had variety. on RDM, the spells are all different versions of the same thing with the same boring casting animation. I was really hoping we'd See more sword magic(Alisae had that giant sword attack in 3.4) but that didn't come, more enchanced magic(nope), better AoE(in dungeons i guess) They must have thought they struck gold with RDM because they didn't improve on much of anything and the job just doesn't feel fun. the job was already teetering on redundancy in SB but it was new enough that i'd hope SHB they'd could improve on it. I made a post called "I don't like Stormblood Red Mage" to highlight the fact that RDM didn't really evolve. Im a diehard player and i want to stay strong but personally, i hate the RNG of F/S procs, How late the Opener is, the stupidity of single target Moulinet, the contradictory nature of the Melee Combo and it's inflexibility within the rotation versus SOME mechanics, Reprise!, Being the weakest job in the game.

(Objectively speaking) Dancer is supposedly lower than RDM but there are a number of factors to consider, the first is that RDPS scales better with comps. the best jobs in the game are BLM DRG MNK and NIN/SAM as similarly strong options but weaker results. RDM can't work with the best 3, BLM DRG and MNK because embolden gets weaker with another caster making BLM and RDM worse and thats not even considering the 1% party buff dex jobs bring. Dancer on the other hand works very well with BLM DRG and MNK even if it isn't as strong as BRD or MCH. this means Dancer is inherently better than RDM and arguably SMN too putting the true lowest jobs as the casters that aren't BLM and the imbalance of it all is staggering. the community thinks it's like this (Melee Caster Ranged) but what it actually is (BLM Melee Ranged SMN and RDM) as soon as the ranged potency buffs come through, this will be made glaringly obvious how lop sided the caster role is.
Dancers best possible comp for their rdps contribution is probably SAM DNC BLM NIN. RDM would be SAM NIN DNC RDM as these jobs synergize the best with their burst windows and raid buffs but if we're talking the objective best comp, DRG/NIN BLM and MNK.
only and ranged or another BLM could hope to fill that slot with the possibility going to a 3rd melee before SMN or RDM.

thus the dps tier list is more like this BLM MNK DRG NIN SAM BRD MCH DNC SMN RDM
Notice how close the ranged and Melee are
this means that regardless of how weak the role is overall, it's incredibly well balanced amongst itself
Melee is similar to this albeit more overbuffed.
Casters on the other hand are the Highest or the absolute lowest, it's the worst balanced role in the game by far right now with the best and worst having a 15% difference and the idea of thinking about the comp in a vaccum doesn't make RDM and SMN better like it does for Dancer because dancer isn't competing with BLM which is the absolute top. RDM players are worried because nothing we say is heeded and i honestly am tired of putting time and attention into a job SE clearly didn't do the same to. BLM looks polished with so much love and care but RDM got the scraps and just has to deal.

(personal feelings again) Bottom Dps, Janitor, boring and uninspire rotation, bad synergy within it's role, This job is garbage in my personal opinion but if you like it because you can "Turn your brain off" go ahead i guess
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Stormblood-RDM

To be fair, those solo runs were a decently competitive thing. And difficult.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...dcgroup=Primal

And even in savage, I still don't feel they're as horrible as everyone says they are. They're low for sure, but I think it would have taken longer for my group to clear without one. It's a strong learning tool to make people know the fight faster, and then it still has the damage to clear.

then make it a Limited Job, isn't that what BLU was designed for, a "Solo Experience", but the same devs who can't balance rdm decided to prevent BLU from doing solo content. just make both RDM and BLU limited jobs so we can get a real caster, Time Mage(NOT AST as they yeeted all the time magic) maybe chemist, necromancer, idk but anything better than the one size fits all utility and value RDM seems to carry.

[Zerathor]

then make it a Limited Job, isn't that what BLU was designed for, a "Solo Experience", but the same devs who can't balance rdm decided to prevent BLU from doing solo content. just make both RDM and BLU limited jobs so we can get a real caster, Time Mage(NOT AST as they yeeted all the time magic) maybe chemist, necromancer, idk but anything better than the one size fits all utility and value RDM seems to carry.

RDM was designed to be a red mage, and they did it well. A jack of all trades, master of none job, as it is in every game since its conception. It can do savage, it can do solo content (better than any other job), it excels highly in open world content, and in exchange for its lower damage it can carry a group that has zero idea whats going on through any fight without a harsh dps check. Idk if you knew what a red mage is when you picked up this job and wanted it to be a black mage.

[Zyneste]

if you knew what a red mage is when you picked up this job and wanted it to be a black mage.

Ah, the classic Red Mage wanting Black Mage Damage Strawman.

[Duskane]

Raise it's part of red mage's kit, it's part of its support utility just like vercure is. I like having my raise utility and I don't feel it's useless.

Well yeah raise is apart of RDM kit
but its Role skill tier utility

Its not something you plan around

Raise is not integral to RDM kit
Its just there and it's not what makes Red mage a Red mage you can like it and i get people like that quick raise when ever aspect
But its not needed if it goes or if it gets a Six sided star effect w/e its not gonna kill RDM identity and should not be considered some Anchor to RDM dps

Vercure is fine ,need something for overworld sustainability

[SaberMaxwell]

RDM was designed to be a red mage, and they did it well. A jack of all trades, master of none job, as it is in every game since its conception. It can do savage, it can do solo content (better than any other job), it excels highly in open world content, and in exchange for its lower damage it can carry a group that has zero idea whats going on through any fight without a harsh dps check. Idk if you knew what a red mage is when you picked up this job and wanted it to be a black mage.

I know I didn't pick a DPS because I love raising other players.

[Kabooa]

Ah, the classic Red Mage wanting Black Mage Damage Strawman.

It's not really a strawman when the red mage community itself can't decide on what the difference should be.

There are those out there who have said that if you take the top 4 compared to the bottom 4, the difference with all 4 added together in each shouldn't exceed ~1000. I doubt they took scalability into account, but that basically means at current numbers no one should exceed 200-250 dps from each other.

Which is basically the same range of an RNG swing of really good or bad crit luck for frequency and what crits.

AKA "X wanting Y's damage"

[Zyneste]

It's not really a strawman when the red mage community itself can't decide on what the difference should be.

There are those out there who have said that if you take the top 4 compared to the bottom 4, the difference with all 4 added together in each shouldn't exceed ~1000. I doubt they took scalability into account, but that basically means at current numbers no one should exceed 200-250 dps from each other.

Which is basically the same range of an RNG swing of really good or bad crit luck for frequency and what crits.

AKA "X wanting Y's damage"

Yeah I'll never understand why people will say within X dps instead of a percent.

To me, being 6% behind Black mage in total RDPS is enough of a raise tax, it shouldn't be 11%. 6% still keeps BLM relevant. RDM/SMN aren't being punished with low damage to protect the melee, its to protect the BLM. [Which in itself is already a sort of compromised from the get go system. Really all or none should have it if they share the same role in terms of strong recovery/defensive utility. The whole prog vs farm meta that only exists for casters is busted.]

The melee are where there really is an issue if we are trying to keep a system where there is a raise tax. RDM/SMN should be competing with the melee for the second slot, doing the similar damage as the two lowest melee, which just isn't possible because it would put them too close to BLM.

To do this RDM is going to need magical embolden on top of potency buffs so that we can finally "be friends" with BLM to reach a non-gimped party comp and melee are going to need adjustments.

[Kabooa]

To do this RDM is going to need magical embolden on top of potency buffs so that we can finally "be friends" with BLM to reach a non-gimped party comp and melee are going to need adjustments.

To me this is the easiest, most sensible fix, similar to Brotherhood.

Red Mage is in this weird place where they actively don't want other casters (and other casters actively don't want them).

Changing Embolden to all damage already does wonders for closing the gap. A few QoL changes and some uptime aides would cap this off nicely.