AST card arrangement

[Mhaeric]

You don’t even need to commit the new ones to memory. Each card has its seal above it, and the background colour matches the role (blue melee pink ranged)

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How did I not even notice that lol! Well that does help, thanks.

Edit: although it does kind of make me roll my eyes a bit at the blue is for weapon using boys and pink is for magic using girls thing it has going on.

[HyoMinPark]

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How did I not even notice that lol! Well that does help, thanks.

Edit: although it does kind of make me roll my eyes a bit at the blue is for weapon using boys and pink is for magic using girls thing it has going on.

Would it make you feel better if I said the color is more a magenta/purple hue as opposed to pink?

Though... really. Are we really going to complain about the colors here... ._.

[Mhaeric]

Though... really. Are we really going to complain about the colors here... ._.

Sure, why not. I'm happy to discuss that if you want to. Changes to systemic misogyny and homophobia, however minor seeming, will never happen without it being brought up. It's the same outdated reasoning behind the gender restrictions on Viera and Hrothgar.

[HyoMinPark]

Sure, why not. I'm happy to discuss that if you want to. Changes to systemic misogyny and homophobia, however minor seeming, will never happen without it being brought up. It's the same outdated reasoning behind the gender restrictions on Viera and Hrothgar.

Dude... it’s just a color. Personally, I don’t assign genders to colors. And I like seeing my men in pink. But if this is a soapbox you wanna get on, go for it, I guess? Just don’t see why it’s a complaint that has to be brought up in relation to card background glows in a video game. I hardly doubt the image you quoted was what the devs were going for here... especially since 3 of the ranged aren’t magic-wielding girls anyways...

Just. Wow.

[ForteNightshade]

Sure, why not. I'm happy to discuss that if you want to. Changes to systemic misogyny and homophobia, however minor seeming, will never happen without it being brought up. It's the same outdated reasoning behind the gender restrictions on Viera and Hrothgar.

... except that wasn't their reasoning. They outright explained why they came to that decision. Hrothgar had been in development long before Viera but the community kept pushing for the latter, the dev opted to split the difference. And since they already had a female model to use as a reference, it made more sense to split them the way they did. Bear in mind, each gender is essentially a race in terms of development time. So it was either do one gender of each or omit one entirely. Don't me wrong, I think it would have been better to just do Viera but people wanted a Bestial race.

But if we're really going to jump on this reach. What's next, complaining Umbral Ice is blue while Astral Fire is red?

[Mhaeric]

Dude... it’s just a color. Personally, I don’t assign genders to colors. And I like seeing my men in pink. But if this is a soapbox you wanna get on, go for it, I guess? Just don’t see why it’s a complaint that has to be brought up in relation to card background glows in a video game. I hardly doubt the image you quoted was what the devs were going for here... especially since 3 of the ranged aren’t magic-wielding girls anyways...

Just. Wow.

Alright, it's clear from your tone and derision of the topic that you don't want to hold a discussion about gender stereotypes in gaming. Carry on.

[HyoMinPark]

Alright, it's clear from your tone and derision of the topic that you don't want to hold a discussion about gender stereotypes in gaming. Carry on.

Nah, man. I just think the thing you’re complaining about isn’t that deep. The only one applying the stereotype in this conversation right now is you. I’ve never seen anyone else apply this kind of reach to the glowing color around the AST cards by anyone until you made that comment. And I highly doubt that the developers were attempting any type of gender stereotyping when it came to this design choice. Like, geez. Not everything comes with homophobic or misogynistic undertones or negative stereotyping...

[Mhaeric]

Nah, man. I just think the thing you’re complaining about isn’t that deep.

Neither did I. I just said I rolled my eyes at it a bit. When you effectively rolled your eyes at my eye roll I offered to have a discussion about gender stereotypes in gaming in an effort to steer the conversation in a productive and positive direction. I'm still happy to have a real discussion about gender stereotypes in gaming in general if you want, but I don't think you actually want to do that.

[HyoMinPark]

Neither did I. I just said I rolled my eyes at it a bit. When you effectively rolled your eyes at my eye roll I offered to have a discussion about gender stereotypes in gaming in an effort to steer the conversation in a productive and positive direction. I'm still happy to have a real discussion about gender stereotypes in gaming in general if you want, but I don't think you actually want to do that.

To be frank, you must have thought it important enough to make a comment about it when someone pointed out melee and ranged cards have different glows around them. I don’t think it’s anything even worth an eye-roll—at least, not in the context in which you’re doing said eye-rolling. The colors chosen for the glow are highly unlikely to be tied to any sort of gender stereotyping, much less homophobic or misogynistic tendencies...

I think there are times and places for conversations like the one you’re wanting to have. I don’t think that the time and place is this thread. However, I think you’ve clearly already set up your own biases against me and what I might say, so I don’t know how productive any conversation about it could be. I do think that it’s an issue completely unrelated to your eye roll, though; it’s quite out of the blue, and triggered by something so incredibly minor that it’s a bit flabbergasting. And I have no idea why you brought Male Viera and Female Hrothgar into this when they’re completely on the other side of the topic pool compared to AST cards and coloring choices.

[Brandedblade]

Alright, it's clear from your tone and derision of the topic that you don't want to hold a discussion about gender stereotypes in gaming. Carry on.

Dude, it's always good to discuss that topic...But...this isnt the forum to do it in.