It's time we get an Extreme Trial Roulette.

[Meogi]

they already have it it's called mentor roulette. And you get 30 tomes for doing it.

Yes but (in my experience) many mentors that queue Mentor Roulette, essentially pray to NOT get an ex trial. I queue 5/5 ex trials for fun for years now ever since no longer participating in a static. It almost never fails, there's a mentor that'll land in there, that will immediately resort to bitching and berating the party for queuing an ex trial in DF. I mean... to a point I totally agree with your statement, but it's unfortunate that many mentors that land in an ex trial from their roulette, aren't willing to mentor.

Very often it literally gets to the point of the party booting the "mentor" for harassment.

[linay]

Just found this thread today and reading through it...

Blows my mind how much people are against the idea because "they" wouldn't want to do it. If it were added to the game, it's not like someone is now forcing you to do it. Just because it's a daily-roulette doesn't meant you have to do it. Those who want to get their daily stack of tomes and move on, stick to the quicker roulette options. Why not let those who would want this, have it?

That's why I suggested unsynced and only for really old content while still having the option to sync down with preformed parties. Maybe even be able to do the roulette synced if you queue with a full party. People are already trying to mess with alliance roulette, and having a roulette wouldn't be useful if you can't count on people using it, which would defeat the point.

[RokkuEkkusu]

No thank you. Unsynched is the worst (in my opinion, you're free to have yours), mind-numbingly boring. Most older ex rials can can be solo'd unsynched unless a specific mechanic prevents it.

I want an ex roulette so that I can queue more than 5 extreme trials at once. Because right now that's essentially what I do to "randomly" get one. I enjoy the hard content, I don't mind wiping, and I enjoy helping others. I'm not there to down the boss in 2 seconds without having to try at all.

It's not that helping others is a problem in EX trials. The main issues are the following:

1. Other players don't want your help/advice. Some have that "you don't pay my sub" attitude.
2. They hope to use their gear to ignore mechanics that hurt but don't instantly knock out to zero HP (good luck on that one).
3. When people do clear by the skin of their teeth, they don't at least give a thank you or any sort of gratitude for the help that many others would refuse to give them.
4. If the roulette is done improperly, well expect people for fish for Garuda, Bismarck, Ravana, Lakshmi, and/or Susano EX. If those trials don't come up, then people will just take the 30 minute penalty as if the EX primal showed up in Mentor Roulette for the average player.

[Rasikko]

Titania Extreme 4 days out of the week, please look forward to it.

[Saintly]

I'd love an EX roulette but there's 2 major issues that others brought up already.

The reward need to be extremely good/unique and not just a big amount of exp.
Hell, personally i'd rather run Praet twice over doing a single mech heavy EX with a PuG if the reward is just EXP.

The second problem is how you gonna keep out those who expect to get carried/bads.
Of course someone might say "It must be available to everyone if it have unique rewards".
I'm pretty sure tho that as long as it ain't locked behind some tight skill check it'll be DoA.

[Firago]

I wholly support the idea of adding an “Extreme Trial Roulette”!

I also like the “daily challenge” idea where one ex-trial-of-the-day is selected similar to frontlines. I see this as the more practical way to implement this so people know what they’re getting into so they don’t fish for what they want and it wouldn’t be stuck on the same trial all the time. It’s also quite a wide spectrum of possible sets of mechanics which can discourage players from jumping in or lead to bad surprises which these ‘mentors’ often complain about.

Perhaps the roulette can draw from a smaller pool that changes every day/week. For example Garuda-Titan-Ifrit one week and then Sephirot-Sophia-Zurven the next.

Maybe a unique currency should be awarded for using it and the actual amount would depend on the difficulty and/or popularity of the trial (Meaning less-run trials award more). Also award the currency if old ex trials are done synced through pf/premades. This currency can be used to buy unique glamour, mounts, minions, etc.

If you don’t like this roulette don’t run it. If you still want the rewards you need to work for it. Personally I don’t like to run MSQ Roulette and it doesn’t bother me that other players run it. If you think very few people will use this roulette don’t forget that very few people run and clear Ultimates and that doesn’t bother me either. :P I don’t think stuff like this should bother anyone.

I think the game needs stuff like this especially considering the recent trending threads about “the lack of content” and such. Now is a good time to add it.

[FoxyAreku]

Can see it now, they do this and then remove it a patch later when they notice less than 10% of the roulettes that get queued actually get completed.

[Meogi]

It's not that helping others is a problem in EX trials. The main issues are the following...

While I agree on all your points to a... certain extent. Due to the fact that there will always be people that cause the points you bring up to be proven somewhat true...

1. Most (not all) people I encounter (who have not cleared it before) do appreciate the help. I have macros that I utilize on the regular in Ex Primals when I queue DF on them, and I often first state "I apologize to anyone who knows this fight, for my spam". And it's often responded from the newcomers with "please, keep doing your call outs". They appreciate it.

2. When it comes to ex primals, there's always people that may struggle with latency, or are just very new and quite frankly (I don't say this in a mean way) aren't that good at the game, and fail at the mechanics, but they DO in fact try. They'll ask questions as to "why am I dying", and I'll tell them.

3. I've helped clear many people's first time in Ex Primals in DF, and gotten 7/8 commendations at times for helping, and at times in all caps "THANK YOU"s from them for helping them get their first clears. There's always people who of course leave immediately. And there's always people grateful.

4. Totally agree. As you've stated, "if the roulette is done improperly". However, that's on SE to figure out. In my opinion a simple solution to this would be the suggestions some have come up in the "Labyrinth and Syrcus Tower..." thread here in this same category. That if you want to queue the roulette, you have to queue with the iLVL necessary for ALL content you've unlocked, present in that roulette. This, to the best of my knowledge, would eliminate the possibility for rigging the system. And given we're discussing an Ex Primal roulette here, anyone queuing it, would then know very well "hey I might be here a while, and at the end of the day, I might get nothing out of it at all".


If not a roulette, there's yet another option in my mind. Eliminate the 5 instance limitation on DF queues. I currently have essentially created my own, reward-less Ex Primal roulette already. By simply queuing 5 at once and "seeing what happens". But I would love to queue more.

I also like the idea someone else mentioned, of "Here's today's Ex Primal Challenge". Not a roulette, but a daily, rotating ex primal that encourages people to participate in the challenge that day. However I believe this lacks the goal of helping those who have come late to the game, and want to queue (in DF, because not everyone is comfortable with PF) content they haven't completed yet. But it is a step in the right direction towards having older extreme content ran by 1) those who haven't completed it yet and 2) those who are willing to help. Be that for a bonus of some sort, or just for fun.

[Firago]

Can see it now, they do this and then remove it a patch later when they notice less than 10% of the roulettes that get queued actually get completed.

I don’t think it would be short-lived like that. I’m pretty confident the Japanese community would steamroll this roulette with little issue and enjoy it. The US/EU community for the most part could come out of their shell and start getting used to more mechanics that aren’t just face roll. Imho

[Meogi]

Can see it now, they do this and then remove it a patch later when they notice less than 10% of the roulettes that get queued actually get completed.

I'm willing to bet less than 10% of people who queue in a full party Extreme content (synced) finish it as well. That doesn't stop them from creating extreme content. Not sure how this point adds to the conversation as to why it cannot / should not be done.

Again, those who don't want to participate in such things, aren't being forced to.