Labyrinth and Syrcus Tower...

[LaylaTsarra]

Lets have the same for alliance roulette then! Those who dont want to do Orbonne simply dont queue for alliance roulette anymore!

I'll queue for whatever I like and if I want to cheese the ilevel I will. Sorry if it doesn't meet with your approval. They need to adjust the experience for the duty based on the content. 50 level raids, 60 level raids and 70 level raids should not get the same experience. They do that with Main story with Praetorium and Castrum. Interesting to see people leave when they get Castrum cause they prefer the longer duty.

Also interesting to see how many people run Main when here on this forum the going banter was no one would ever run it with unskippable cutscenes.

Make it worth the time and people will want the higher level duties.

[Vidu]

I'll queue for whatever I like and if I want to cheese the ilevel I will. Sorry if it doesn't meet with your approval. They need to adjust the experience for the duty based on the content. 50 level raids, 60 level raids and 70 level raids should not get the same experience. They do that with Main story with Praetorium and Castrum. Interesting to see people leave when they get Castrum cause they prefer the longer duty.

Also interesting to see how many people run Main when here on this forum the going banter was no one would ever run it with unskippable cutscenes.

Make it worth the time and people will want the higher level duties.

Yeah or they need to adjust the system so that you simply cant queue for the roulette if you dont meet the ilvl requirement for all duties of your level...

[Suniva]

Yeah or they need to adjust the system so that you simply cant queue for the roulette if you dont meet the ilvl requirement for all duties of your level...

I like this idea! Thank you!

[Sove92]

Yeah or they need to adjust the system so that you simply cant queue for the roulette if you dont meet the ilvl requirement for all duties of your level...

Which won't happen, the system doesn't support that (Level and IL requirements are fixed, there are no ifs and elses for it) and changing it isn't worth the work for a relatively minor "issue". They will much rather just give an incentive not to lower the IL in the form of increasing EXP from newer raids.

Also, if your average DF player in the newer raids wasn't a typewriting chimp, people wouldn't drop their IL so easily. But there's only so many times you are willing to put up with vote abandons and constant wipings for the current rewards.

[Driavna]

Which won't happen, the system doesn't support that (Level and IL requirements are fixed, there are no ifs and elses for it) and changing it isn't worth the work for a relatively minor "issue". They will much rather just give an incentive not to lower the IL in the form of increasing EXP from newer raids.

Also, if your average DF player in the newer raids wasn't a typewriting chimp, people wouldn't drop their IL so easily. But there's only so many times you are willing to put up with vote abandons and constant wipings for the current rewards.

I will say this again: the main idea of alliance roulette is to fill all 24m raids (was announced in one of the live letters like that). SE need to change whatever is necessary so the roulette works as intended (like they did with MSQ). As simple as that.

[DynnDiablos]

I will say this again: the main idea of alliance roulette is to fill all 24m raids (was announced in one of the live letters like that). SE need to change whatever is necessary so the roulette works as intended (like they did with MSQ). As simple as that.

Then they can queue for that specific raid and wait. Period.

[Suniva]

Then they can queue for that specific raid and wait. Period.

Why this again? People use the system daily for the rewards; if they queue for a particular raid, they aren't getting the rewards offered by using the Duty Roulette. Those that DO queue up for a particular instance are either:

A) Going through it the first time
B) Going for glamour

Driavna has made it clear in bringing up the points that the system was implemented so that ALL of the raids would be available, not just one or two, which in turn, was supposed to help with queue times for those in category A and B. If this was a single player game, you playing the game in a way that ideally fits YOUR needs would be fine. Unfortunately, this is not a single player game. There are others that do not enjoy the fact that their peers are rigging the system to their particular tastes, thereby forcing the system to register the same instances repeatedly, defeating the purpose of the roulette system.

[RoyalBeef]

Driavna has made it clear in bringing up the points that the system was implemented so that ALL of the raids would be available, not just one or two,

And they are. At regular ilvl I get Orbonne, Lighthouse, Rabanstare, Void Ark, you name it. People are acting as if those raids are impossible to pop, which isn't the case. The whole discussion is based on annecdotal evidence and "statistics" of 2-3 people

[Flay_wind]

Why this again? People use the system daily for the rewards; if they queue for a particular raid, they aren't getting the rewards offered by using the Duty Roulette. Those that DO queue up for a particular instance are either:

A) Going through it the first time
B) Going for glamour

Driavna has made it clear in bringing up the points that the system was implemented so that ALL of the raids would be available, not just one or two, which in turn, was supposed to help with queue times for those in category A and B. If this was a single player game, you playing the game in a way that ideally fits YOUR needs would be fine. Unfortunately, this is not a single player game. There are others that do not enjoy the fact that their peers are rigging the system to their particular tastes, thereby forcing the system to register the same instances repeatedly, defeating the purpose of the roulette system.

Okay, i'll chime in. For example i have only Crystal Tower and Ivalice Raids unlocked. I only queue into Alliance Roulette on a 50-69 character i am currently leveling to max. Other 23 players that are queued with me into that particular Raid Roulette all funneled to Crystal Tower Raids only, because that's the only thing available to me personally. Do i cheat the system or not and how wrong is for me to do it?

[LaylaTsarra]

Yeah or they need to adjust the system so that you simply cant queue for the roulette if you dont meet the ilvl requirement for all duties of your level...

Nope the reward should be worth the effort. Don't buy your point of view. You can get all up in a tuff about it but if the reward isn't worth the effort people won't do it. Pretty simple.

Efficiency. There's a minimum and a maximum priciple.

Minimum priciple: Get a fixed reward with as little effort aus possible.
Maximum prnciple: Use a fixed amount of effort to gain a reward that's a big as possible.

Since the reward in roulettes is fixed and the effort is variable, the only reasonable thing to do is minimizing your effort to get the fixed reward.

Now if all Raids took the same amount of time, but the rewards varied, people would jump on the one that grants the biggest reward for the fixed effort.

Yes and this point of view has been expressed in other threads like this as well. It's not going to happen unless the rewards make it worth the time and effort as was done with Main Story. Perhaps with the new 80 level raid we'll see a 50/60 Alliance and a 70/80 with appropriate experience awarded for the effort.