Labyrinth and Syrcus Tower...

[Firago]

Who else is sick and tired of getting these in the alliance roulette?
I swear in my experience I get one of these two raids 95% of the time. I only get HW and StB alliance raids once in a blue moon. Heck even getting World of Darkness is exciting. I feel so burned out on these crystal tower raids that I can't help but to feel nauseous as soon as I hear the beginning of the music. You can only imagine my disgust when the Moogle event went live before ShB.

I'm sure other players are sick of these raids too. Nearly every mechanic gets ignored now (Zombie Dragon skeletons, Scylla orbs, Amon slimes). That's how brain-numbing this is. The only mechanics I see that don't get ignored are "Ancient Flare", "4-on-a-pad" (loosely), and "Ecliptic Meteor."

I understand if I see a First-Time-Bonus that there's a new player or alt. However when I don't see a First-Time-Bonus I get confused. I just wonder why we were put in those raids. Sure there may be characters on jobs not 60 yet but that doesn't explain why WoD is so rare. Do level 50-59 characters really outnumber characters 60-80 by so much?

Thank you for listening to my rant...I just needed to get this off my chest. I'm still curious about why these raids are soooo common though.

[Mirhd]

People are artificially lowering their ilvl to get them by removing equipment because they're easier and faster to do. The rare time I actually get something that ISN'T Lab or Syrcus, a few people leave. : / It's annoying, aye.

[TheMightyMollusk]

I'd take it over yet another vote abandon on The Thunder God. Some people can't handle paying attention.

[Suniva]

People are artificially lowering their ilvl to get them by removing equipment because they're easier and faster to do. The rare time I actually get something that ISN'T Lab or Syrcus, a few people leave. : / It's annoying, aye.

Really wish they would implement some sort of fix for this, because it is incredibly annoying. Not to mention that while I was leveling an alt and got to higher end alliance raids, it would take substantially more time to find people since those that could join to help me and fellow alts progress the story are using this method to avoid doing those higher end raids. I feel it's a problem that should get addressed at some point, but I don't think enough people care to make it an issue.

[RoyalBeef]

Asking for a fix is implying there is something wrong with the system. It's working as intended tho ^^ Next thing you know, people ask for it to become a reportable offense. Some time in the future you'll be banned for equipping lower gear, or like in the other thread, for putting you PF party in the wrong category ^^
People who do that obviously don't want to play the raid you queued for, so why implement something that forces them and wil lead to them leaving or not queuing up anymore? As if that fixes your queues times.

[Flay_wind]

Eh, i'd take "chill and push some buttons in LotA or ST" over "potential wipefests in WoD and beyond" any day.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

LotA/ST: "Yaay, free XP"
WoD: "Shouldn't be a problem, but you never know!"
Dun Scaith: "Oh shit."
Obonne: "Shit just hit the fan!"

[Mirhd]

Really wish they would implement some sort of fix for this, because it is incredibly annoying. Not to mention that while I was leveling an alt and got to higher end alliance raids, it would take substantially more time to find people since those that could join to help me and fellow alts progress the story are using this method to avoid doing those higher end raids. I feel it's a problem that should get addressed at some point, but I don't think enough people care to make it an issue.

I recall reading that players asked the devs about this during a Live Letter, I think? They mentioned looking into it, so we'll see.

Asking for a fix is implying there is something wrong with the system. It's working as intended tho ^^ Next thing you know, people ask for it to become a reportable offense. Some time in the future you'll be banned for equipping lower gear, or like in the other thread, for putting you PF party in the wrong category ^^
People who do that obviously don't want to play the raid you queued for, so why implement something that forces them and wil lead to them leaving or not queuing up anymore? As if that fixes your queues times.

Yeah, no. I highly doubt the devs intended for players to game the system into making it think they're lower level than they are so they can get into easier raids. Considering your response, I have a sneaking suspicion you engage in this yourself.

This, also, from the person who wishes it were possible to name-and-shame other players if they do something wrong... hilarious.

[Enla]

People are artificially lowering their ilvl to get them by removing equipment because they're easier and faster to do. The rare time I actually get something that ISN'T Lab or Syrcus, a few people leave. : / It's annoying, aye.

And sometimes break the queue when they do. I've had around three Orbonne's that had a monstrous time filling empty spots after people leave before the start gates even fall. One incident had several spots that didn't fill from start to Agrias, or even when the whole Alliance collective agreed to wait fifteen minutes to fill the roles. That attempt disbanded, honestly prematurely as the raid is doable these days even with a couple empty spots if people are on top of their game. Another one saw the attempt end at Cid for similar reasons - though this time it was a conga line of 'leaves' and the duty finder outright refusing to fill some of the missing spots even after more agreed upon waiting.

I'd honestly be down for them removing the ability to smurf entirely and impose a harsher penalty for leaving Alliance raids (like actually getting the penalty if you leave even after someone else does) until the player base has the bad behavior collectively beaten out of themselves. Either that or fixing the tuning on the tower climb so that people /have/ to do mechanics so people are less inclined to smurf. Since most of the player base has collectively forgotten how to even do half the mechanics in those raids since HW, since the bosses die so quickly, it'd be a good incentive not to tempt fate. Though they would have to fix some of the Lab mechanics to work with only 3 tanks, since Bone dragon was designed with 6 in mind.

[RoyalBeef]

I recall reading that players asked the devs about this during a Live Letter, I think? They mentioned looking into it, so we'll see.



Yeah, no. I highly doubt the devs intended for players to game the system into making it think they're lower level than they are so they can get into easier raids. Considering your response, I have a sneaking suspicion you engage in this yourself.

This, also, from the person who wishes it were possible to name-and-shame other players if they do something wrong... hilarious.

Of course I do, and everyone who says they never done it is either a liar, or hasnt unlocked SB alliance raids yet :P Nice try making it look like I'm engaging in some kind of forbidden or unethical activity tho xD Go ahead, name and shame me for avoiding Orbonne Abandon Roulette, I can take it ^^