SE Please Sell Gil

[RoyalBeef]

The game already is "P2W." You can buy fully leveled characters and quest completions. It doesn't get any more P2W than that. I'm not against it really, I'd never do it, but we're already there. And IMHO, yes I'd rather see "P2W" Gil sales on the mogstation than have this game ruined by bots.

Of course, I'd rather see SE actually do something about bots and not sell Gil! But that is never going to happen, so I'm trying to mitigate here.

There is no P2W in PVE games. What do you win by buying a Savage clear? Nothing. it doesn't help you in PVP, nor does it enable you to do anything another person couldn't do. What do you win by buying jump potion? Nothing, I leveled my MCH from 30 to 80 in 9 days. There is no "winning" in PVE.

[Valic]

The game already is "P2W." You can buy fully leveled characters and quest completions. It doesn't get any more P2W than that. I'm not against it really, I'd never do it, but we're already there. And IMHO, yes I'd rather see "P2W" Gil sales on the mogstation than have this game ruined by bots.

Of course, I'd rather see SE actually do something about bots and not sell Gil! But that is never going to happen, so I'm trying to mitigate here.

Why are people so stupid confusing pay to win with pay to progress every time they see anything that isn't aesthetic in the cash shop...

Leveled chars (limited to one btw), and boosting tHrough MSQ (content that isn't difficult by any means to clear as is) are NOT pay to win related at all. They don't give you gear to do further content, they don't teach you your job, there is no benefit other than saving your time. Time is money and vice versa, but it doesn't by power/clears or anything that would give an advantage over a player. To put it more clearly, a player who buys a level skip, and a MSQ skip.... will be in the same spot as a player who does the MSQ and levels a character. The only difference is the time spent doing so and how quickly it's done.

All that said, this thread concept is retarded lol. I don't use that term often but I literally tilted my head when I read the title and just face-palmed with how stupid the logic is. By this same logic, fire burning down a forest is too much to handle and it's not getting cleared.... Can they just burn down the whole forest so the fire can't do anymore? 4HEAD.

[Driavna]

Can you provide evidence of this statement?

The first few things I find are at ends of your statement:
Concern 1
Concern 2
Concern 3

If it truly helped the economy, when I search for something along the lines of this topic, I should at least see some positive or neutral stances (knowing full well there will always be doomsayers and those expressing concerns). Also, it just sounds like WoW's economy is a bit F.U.B.A.R. as is and this just compounded it.

EDIT:
Speaking about this as someone who has never touched WoW, doesn't care for WoW, doesn't care to devote any real effort to find information regarding anything to WoW nor how hard it is to even attain gold in WoW. It doesn't change how concerning it is for a single 'token' cost as high as 590k gold in the last year of that game using this site. If it was anything like an older game I played with a similar exchange as WoW, 200k-500k is definitely much harder to obtain and promotes throwing real world cash to progress that the concerns I brought up address.

The last thing I'd ever want to see in FFXIV is food or pots going for 100k per 1.

I will respond to this since I'm extremely familiar with WoW, but first let me point something out: Blizzard is not selling gold, Blizzard is selling a token that the player can trade for gold. But someone has to farm that gold in-game, this does not inflate the economy as regular gold farming bots do.

WoW massive gold inflation can be tracked to WoD and Legion. In those expansions, Blizzard added something similar to ventures with great gold rewards. By investing some time levelling different characters and setting up all the necessary requirements the amount of gold generated over time without doing anything was absurd. As an example when the token was first introduced I had enough gold to buy a year of subscription right away. However, with the last expansion, they decided to remove those ways to earn gold and, in general, the game became more stingy with gold rewards.

So, for your average joe that does not put any effort whatsoever in making gold the current economy is bad since all those massive quantities of gold are still moving around. Thing is, FFXIV is in the same boat. If you don't craft/gather the gil rewards are not enough to afford almost anything unless you spend months saving gil, and, even if you do the big gains are only during the first few days (in WoW happens the same, with BFA launch the obscene amounts of money I made by gathering plants during the first weeks was glorius). NA/EU economies are already inflated by gil farmers. If by some miracle SE finds the definitive solution to prevent bots and decided to add a new server (no transfers allowed) we will never see anything, but the rarest of drops, be sold for millions of gil.

To this inflation problem, we also have bots controlling certain markets (this probably happens in WoW too) so for a normal player is almost impossible to compete and make a profit.

Regarding with your last concern about the current WoW token prices in gold is something that has an easy explanation. After Blizzard allowed the token to be converted into the Battle.net currency you can use it to buy WoW expansion, other Blizzard titles, DLC and any other cash shop item for any Blizzard game. In short, supply and demand, players are more interested now on buying tokens than in selling.

Edit: I forgot to mention that in current WoW gold sinks hit the player harder too. While FFXIV has hardly any real gil sink, particularly if you are a casual. Gil is bound to pile over time, probably another reason for the current inflation.

[RoyalBeef]

When WoW tokens were implemented in WoW it actually helped its economy, so if you go that route I do not see any harm done as rather than devaluing Gil, there is an extra value to Gil to people who have a lot of it.

I remember when they introduced such tokens to Everquest, I was playing on a classic server at that time. The effect was that inflation of gold happened so rapidly,the tokens became kind of the new alternative currency because their value in gold would increase corresponding to the gold inflation. Whenever you made enough gold to buy one, you should do it, because 2 days later it would be worth twice the amount of gold, meaning if you held on to your gold you lost 50% of your wealth over night. Most traders would only sell high level items in exchange for tokens, no one would accept gold anymore. It was a fkn disaster and it didn't stop botters either, they would farm high level items, sell them for tokens, then sell the tokens for real money.

[CookiesNCreams]

This screams “inflation”

[Jybril]

I'd pay 1000/month to play this game with fewer bots, hands down.

You really can't be serious here. No one here but you is willing to do that and some are barely scraping by with the $13.
This game isn't the end of the world. Throwing out 1k for this over bots is actually just...lol.
Not ALL bots, but fewer bots you said.
I'm not here to tell you how to spend your money or anything or armchair psych
but this almost seems like you have some sort of addiction with that thinking
and is probably best for you to quit anyways...
Which I think OP had since his character is completely gone.
Poor guy.

[CookiesNCreams]

LOL what happened to OPs character?

[Reinfeld]

Game essentially will become pay to win. People will use bots to sell cheaper Gil to under cut squares prices. People will exchange their Gil for irl money. So to get that shiney new top you better be ready to fork over a couple of ££ to a player.

I'm not saying I agree with OP, but Gil is so worthless that there's no way this game could ever be pay to win. Everyone earns at least make the bare minimum necessary just from playing normally, and anything beyond that is just housing/glamour fluff or small bonuses from pentamelding.

[ElazulHP]

Go to the source of the problem: The people supporting these parasites. Get rid of them and the problem goes away. Any account that purchases Gil should be permanently banned. Strike absolute terror into people by forcing them to choose to either do it the legit way or potentially lose accounts that represent up to 6+ years of their lives.

[linay]

Gil is so worthless that there's no way it could ever be pay to win

If that were true, RMT wouldn't be an issue.