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    NekoNova's Avatar
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    Olivar Starblaze
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty View Post
    I don't see any reason why parses should be anonymous by default. None at all. People have the right to know who they're letting into their parties. Nobody should be forced to carry a grey party member.
    Nobody should be forced to cater to insane standards either, yet here we are
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    Quote Originally Posted by NekoNova View Post
    Nobody should be forced to cater to insane standards either, yet here we are
    I don't really think it's too much to ask that your party members be competent, particularly in Savage where carrying bad players can be excruciating. Especially since if people find themselves not being able to meet said 'insane standards' they can just make their own groups and usually get by rather swimmingly that way. I'm new to Savage with this tier now that my health and life have finally gotten under control and my DPS parse is /terrible/ as SCH. My healing makes up for it from what I can tell but I absolutely would not blame any group for wanting to try and nab someone who could put out better numbers. Especially as healing can become very scripted from what I've noticed once you get used to a specific fight. I'm the one having trouble adjusting to Savage. No one owes me a spot in a group and I'm rather grateful that my static is willing to put up with me as I adjust to the higher skill level. It's really not asking to much that I improve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enla View Post
    I don't really think it's too much to ask that your party members be competent, particularly in Savage where carrying bad players can be excruciating. Especially since if people find themselves not being able to meet said 'insane standards' they can just make their own groups and usually get by rather swimmingly that way. I'm new to Savage with this tier now that my health and life have finally gotten under control and my DPS parse is /terrible/ as SCH. My healing makes up for it from what I can tell but I absolutely would not blame any group for wanting to try and nab someone who could put out better numbers. Especially as healing can become very scripted from what I've noticed once you get used to a specific fight. I'm the one having trouble adjusting to Savage. No one owes me a spot in a group and I'm rather grateful that my static is willing to put up with me as I adjust to the higher skill level. It's really not asking to much that I improve.

    It's not too much to ask for party members to be competent, especially in savage raids. Please don't misunderstand my comment as such.
    A minimum performance is required from everyone involved to even have a chance at beating the encounter.
    I understand that it's frustrating to perform well and only see the run fail because of someone.


    What I do have a problem with is that people utilize the same tools and requirements for pretty much everything else.
    And that's the main reason why these tools should not be standard/public to begin with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NekoNova View Post
    What I do have a problem with is that people utilize the same tools and requirements for pretty much everything else.
    And that's the main reason why these tools should not be standard/public to begin with.
    From my own experience, this is just not true. In a general basis, no one cares about anyone's numbers for most of the content. With savage being the exception and not even all turns. In fact, the meme about farm parties being traps parties happens because no one really bothers to check FFLogs.
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    Esther Harper
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    Quote Originally Posted by NekoNova View Post
    What I do have a problem with is that people utilize the same tools and requirements for pretty much everything else.
    And that's the main reason why these tools should not be standard/public to begin with.
    They don't.
    As soon as you mention anything that points towards you using a parser, you risk getting banned. Even if it's just a friendly comment commending someone's dps, you may have someone in your group that is completely against parsers and will jump at the chance to report a parsing player. And if you use it to point out poor performance, you're almost certainly in for a ban so nobody would dare to risk a ban for "enforcing" better gameplay in a dungeon.
    So people keep silent. Many use it in DF content simply out of curiosity (mostly to see how well they are doing) but all they do is silently roll their eyes if someone is really bad. If they even care about it.
    AST may use it to better discern who is worthy of their cards, tanks may use it to better discern how big they should pull. But they just make those decisions without saying anything about it.

    So outside PF, where the leader sets the rules and you can always chose to not join if you don't like them, even if people use parsers it's of no consequence for everyone else.
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