Maybe RDM need....

[cactuarzzzz]

E2S has no downtime. Of course there's no need to use it there.

Yes. I don't get why somebody want to keep it when it didn't even help that much instead of asking for alt way. You get to use it 1-2 times in ES1 and not at all in ES2.

[HyoMinPark]

Yes. I don't get why somebody want to keep it when it didn't even help that much instead of asking for alt way. You get to use it 1-2 times in ES1 and not at all in ES2.

You get to use it twice in E3S and thrice in E4S. If we want to talk Ultimates, you get to use it even more frequently during transitions. But you’re wanting to remove it based on the single, full-uptime fight in this entire tier? Why are you not considering the other three in your suggestion? There’s no reason to lock it out in general, but you’re trying to apply an exception as support for your proposition, rather than looking at the norm (which would be the other fights where you get usages from the skill).

[cactuarzzzz]

You get to use it twice in E3S and thrice in E4S. If we want to talk Ultimates, you get to use it even more frequently during transitions. But you’re wanting to remove it based on the single, full-uptime fight in this entire tier? Why are you not considering the other three in your suggestion? There’s no reason to lock it out in general, but you’re trying to apply an exception as support for your proposition, rather than looking at the norm (which would be the other fights where you get usages from the skill).

It's not a proper way to use healing spell. I don't get why you guy're so upset.
5.1 is coming and RDM's buff/change is expected so you can ask for alt way or suggest a better changes but instead of asking for a proper/alt way you're so mad at me for trying to take the way to exploit that rely on transition from you?.The battle stance I suggest could be a lv.72+ skill so you can kept using the expoilt in ultimate but why do you have to be so quick to judge me? You could even suggest that when enter the stance in the beginning it give RDM's insta cast + free blk+wht mana but all I hear is how people upset with me, what the?

If instead of stance you get 10 sec personal dps boost would you rather using healing in that window instead of the attack skill? unless you want to reduce your dps? I've said this before that the stance doesn't have to be perma but if you want to deal better damage all time+have emboden improvement and able to use verrise/heal all the time it could bring us to another problem down below.

[I hope I don't have to repeat it again but] if after the changes RDM is being mobile+doing good damage + bring good dps utility + able to use verrise/heal at whim then is there a reason to bring Bard/Mechanist/Summoner? If RDM getting a buff and turn to be that great class it would feel nice to me too but it wouldn't be me who you need to convince, It is the classes that loss their place to you, especially when 1 spot is likely get permenantly claimed by the BLM.

[HyoMinPark]

It's not a proper way to use healing spell. I don't get why you guy're so upset.
5.1 is coming and RDM's buff/change is expected so you can ask for alt way or suggest a better changes but instead of asking for a proper/alt way you're so mad at me for trying to take the way to exploit that rely on transition from you.The battle stance I suggest could be a lv.72+ skill so you can kept using the expoilt in ultimate but why do you have to so quick to judge me? You could even suggest that when enter the stance in the beginning it give RDM's insta cast + free blk+wht mana but all I hear is how people upset with me, what the?

If instead of stance you get 10 sec personal dps boost would you rather using healing in that window instead of the attack skill? unless you want to reduce your dps? I've said this before that the stance doesn't have to be perma but if you want to deal better damage all time+have emboden improvement and able to use verrise/heal all the time it could bring us to another problem down below.

[I hope I don't have to repeat it again but] if after the changes RDM is being mobile+doing good damage + bring good dps utility + able to use verrise/heal at whim then is there a reason to bring Bard/Mechanist/Summoner? If RDM getting a buff and turn to be that great class it would feel nice to me too but it wasn't me who you need to convince, It is the classes that loss their place to you, especially when 1 spot is likely get permenantly claimed by the BLM.

My dude. You need to calm down. The judgments you are getting are well-deserved because you don’t seem to consider how RDMs actively use Vercure, which implies you don’t know much about how the job plays at a high level. If this is true, you should not be suggesting changes. Get a decent understanding of how RDM playa before you start throwing ideas out there. Because, right now, I think you don’t understand how the job plays at all.

I’m not even upset. I’m just criticizing your suggestion because it seems to come from nowhere near a decent understanding of RDM gameplay.

[SaberMaxwell]

It's not a proper way to use healing spell. I don't get why you guy're so upset.

Take away Manaward, Bloodbath, and Second Wind then. Emergencies aren't a thing, and Cure 1 is apparently OP.

5.1 is coming and RDM's buff/change is expected

There are RDM buffs / changes expected? Red Mage was one of the jobs that was hardly even mentioned in the Live Letter except to explain that Raise is why RDM and SMN suffer low DPS like they do. The devs never mentioned vercure.

so you can ask for alt way or suggest a better changes but instead of asking for a proper/alt way you're so mad at me for trying to take the way to exploit that rely on transition from you.

An exploit? Lmao is Umbral Soul an exploit now too? Is Form Shift an exploit now as well? I'm not mad, by the way, you posted your idea on a public forum, which means it's up to public scrutiny.

The battle stance I suggest could be a lv.72+ skill so you can kept using the expoilt in ultimate but why do you have to so quick to judge me?

I'm not judging you, I'm judging your ideas. Your ideas are not you. Also this would mean nothing for the next Ultimate.

You could even suggest that when enter the stance in the beginning it give RDM's insta cast + free blk+wht mana but all I hear is how people upset with me, what the?

"Look, you can't disagree with me that the moon is cheese, but what kind of cheese it is is up for debate."

The idea from the outset is almost wholesale Cleric Stance. Cleric Stance is something the developers removed from the game two expansions ago. I don't think Cleric Stance is a good way forward, full stop, so why would I make suggestions to improve your Cleric Stance? Why would giving RDM free instacast + free mana help the situation at all? That would mean having to time its use for transition phases, and one would probably already be timing them for group burst phases anyway?

If instead of stance you get 10 sec personal dps boost would you rather using healing in that window instead of the attack skill? unless you want to reduce your dps? I've said this before that the stance doesn't have to be perma but if you want to deal better damage all time+have emboden improvement and able to use verrise/heal all the time it could bring us to another problem down below.

If the stance isn't permanent, it changes nothing about the paradigm it has with Black Mage. The fact that Red Mage can raise at all puts it at odds with ever being near (read, not 1500+ behind) Black Mage's damage. Giving RDM a cleric stance would probably make it even tougher on Black Mages, unless they also get a stance that instead gives them access to a raise ability.

[I hope I don't have to repeat it again but] if after the changes RDM is being mobile

Hah, Red Mage, mobile. Good joke.

+doing good damage + bring good dps utility

With the current FFLogs paradigm these are one in the same.

+ able to use verrise/heal at whim

Verraise is the problem, not vercure.

then is there a reason to bring Bard/Mechanist/Summoner?

BRD/MCH/DNC would be brought for the 1% damage they offer the role, since Red Mage and Summoner should be fighting for the same slot as Black Mage. There's a problem when for the past two expansions, Casters and Rangers have both been fighting to hold both ranged slots in the party.

If RDM getting a buff and turn to be that great class it would feel nice to me too but it wasn't me who you need to convince, It is the classes that loss their place to you, especially when 1 spot is likely get permenantly claimed by the BLM.

If RDM gets all the buffs you outlined at once, it would be brokenly overpowered. But it won't; if anything, Summoner will rocket back up to the top while Bard and Machinist likewise go up. No data on DNC and how they treat it yet, but they seem to enjoy RDM and DNC being at the absolute bottom of the barrel.

[Wayfinder3]

Take away Manaward, Bloodbath, and Second Wind then. Emergencies aren't a thing, and Cure 1 is apparently OP.



There are RDM buffs / changes expected? Red Mage was one of the jobs that was hardly even mentioned in the Live Letter except to explain that Raise is why RDM and SMN suffer low DPS like they do. The devs never mentioned vercure.



An exploit? Lmao is Umbral Soul an exploit now too? Is Form Shift an exploit now as well? I'm not mad, by the way, you posted your idea on a public forum, which means it's up to public scrutiny.



I'm not judging you, I'm judging your ideas. Your ideas are not you. Also this would mean nothing for the next Ultimate.



"Look, you can't disagree with me that the moon is cheese, but what kind of cheese it is is up for debate."

The idea from the outset is almost wholesale Cleric Stance. Cleric Stance is something the developers removed from the game two expansions ago. I don't think Cleric Stance is a good way forward, full stop, so why would I make suggestions to improve your Cleric Stance? Why would giving RDM free instacast + free mana help the situation at all? That would mean having to time its use for transition phases, and one would probably already be timing them for group burst phases anyway?



If the stance isn't permanent, it changes nothing about the paradigm it has with Black Mage. The fact that Red Mage can raise at all puts it at odds with ever being near (read, not 1500+ behind) Black Mage's damage. Giving RDM a cleric stance would probably make it even tougher on Black Mages, unless they also get a stance that instead gives them access to a raise ability.



Hah, Red Mage, mobile. Good joke.



With the current FFLogs paradigm these are one in the same.



Verraise is the problem, not vercure.



BRD/MCH/DNC would be brought for the 1% damage they offer the role, since Red Mage and Summoner should be fighting for the same slot as Black Mage. There's a problem when for the past two expansions, Casters and Rangers have both been fighting to hold both ranged slots in the party.



If RDM gets all the buffs you outlined at once, it would be brokenly overpowered. But it won't; if anything, Summoner will rocket back up to the top while Bard and Machinist likewise go up. No data on DNC and how they treat it yet, but they seem to enjoy RDM and DNC being at the absolute bottom of the barrel.

was going to chime in but you're doing gods work. i'll just watch on this one