Astrologian 5.0 Discussion

[Seraphor]

They are not objectively bad because people prefer the old card system to the new system that is subjective,
they are objectively bad because
-They do not provide enough rDPS to offset ast's lower pDPS
-Became more controller unfriendly for openers and buff alignments every 6 mins
-Core issues that need to be dealt with like Nocturnal being inferior again to Diurnal especially when Neutral is used, Collective Unconsciousness being incredibly weak for its cd and requirements, and the dependency on group compositions that has gotten worse after ShB(worse case scenerio being you the hlr being the only ranged)

Also one nice thing about the old system i miss, i could churn out aoe cards while targeting the tank never losing heal uptime if needed(with mass pulling no cds tanks this was really nice)

Now despite the above ast is still playable in all content but it is inferior to both whm and sch and the biggest offender for this is the new card system (potency buffs can easily solve this)but when veteran asts(which is where the majority of complaints come from) look at comparing the old card system and the new card system and go who did they listen to to go with this? it starts to beg questions of was ths change worth it? sometimes change is good and sometimes change is bad, ast card changes based on ast's performance in savage going into week 4-5 is not as great as you or HealmeHarry think they are and giving a potency buff would be just be another band aid on the all ready festering healer wound, as it would most likely just replace whm again >_> because it's buffs become mandatory and we just repeat HW and SB all over again so there would never be a 4th playstyle added to the healer role. /rant

Those are valid criticisms of the new system, which I agree with, but the solution isn't 'just revert to the old system', because that had flaws too, the main one being healer toolkit skills tied to RNG in Bole and Ewer. Crit and Speed are also tricky buffs to balance.

[Kye]

I liked the old card system for many reasons, but most simply for the AOE dealing of cards in full party settings. I can only play on a controller due to wrist/finger problems, and being able to AOE a card with one button was great. Now I can't play AST on the controller because dealing cards is literally too painful.

Sleeve Draw>Shuffle>press down 3 times to soft target party member>press X to hard target>play>target enemy>malefic>shuffle>press up twice>press enter to hard target>play etc. It's so anti-controller that it's baffling. I've essentially been physically locked out from my fav job due to these changes, and I'm not the only one complaining about it so... what the heckle. Meanwhile they add dancer that does an AOE buff mechanic like a dream, and are using what they've learned to make ninja play better, but AST is just fine...? Do I really not matter Yoshi P? ; ;

[Crushnight]

Those are valid criticisms of the new system, which I agree with, but the solution isn't 'just revert to the old system', because that had flaws too, the main one being healer toolkit skills tied to RNG in Bole and Ewer. Crit and Speed are also tricky buffs to balance.

Yea the old system had some flaws but it's biggest one of getting the card you need at the time you want could've been solved with an ocgd ability every 120/180s that borrowed from dnc's UI where it changed all card abilities into a major arcana card and whichever you picked would be in place of draw.

I think the thing i miss most abut the old system is this
-War-Balance,Spear,Arrow,Bole,Spire,Ewer
-Blm-Balance,Arrow,Spear,Bole,Ewer,Spire
-Nin-Balance,Spear,Bole,Spire,Arrow(aoe version ahead of spire but nin definetly didn't want single),Ewer

Different cards were more beneficial on certain jobs than others for more seasoned asts this was interesting to offset the simple dps rotation, the new system is more open to newer players as there is less to learn but it is too simple for my liking and there is no replacement amongst the healers either.

It also doesn't help that they decided rather than try to fix the old system(by bringing them in line/mitigating rng) they revamped it but gave it a whole new set of problems instead(undertuning/rng still a factor it is less severe but you still have at best a 32% to get 3 seal Divination ready by the 3rd draw with a redraw on the 2nd and 3rd draw/greater dependency on group matching ie at least 1 melee/1 range dps to be as effective as possible)

[KanameYuuki]

We've got this gem:

https://nordic.ign.com/final-fantasy...or-inspiration

Q.
Some people have shown their dislike of some classes, like the Ninja and Astroligian, are you looking into fixing that, and how?

A.
We talked about this a bit in the last letter from the producers.
In the latest patch we changed some stuff for the Astroligian and we noticed that we restored the balance a bit.
Still we see some feedback from players that want the same effects for the cards as we had before, but the dev team doesn’t have the intention to bring the old system back. We can’t make everyone happy.
If we change back the system, a different part of the community will get mad. Some people loved the old system, and some people love the new system. You can’t please everyone.

Perfectly fine to please the new ones but a middle finger for the old guard, welp.

[Mesarthim]

Yeah I remember that statement. Maybe they shouldn't have "made a different part of the community" mad in the first place. I don't know many online games that outright show what feels like contempt for a role.

[MintnHoney]

We see "some" feedback, he says. There's a hell of a lot more than just "some" feedback going on, Yoshi. Contempt, indeed.

[Hatstand]

“Some people like the new one”, he says. I mean, people are still playing it, it must be just as good...

Never mind that there are 4.6 times as many WHM parses as AST parses on fflogs, which is our only real metric I can find on how much classes are getting played at cap, since the census just counts how many people have reached level 80.

I’d say that, while there are people who like the new AST, there are significantly more people who like the old (at least among AST mains. I think there are a lot of dps mains who like their balance bots). SE should learn what they can from what people like about the new system, improve the old one, and give us that.

[KanameYuuki]

And this part of the community on the English forum is tame compared to mainland JP, someone said there that overseas there is still a "healthy" population of people still playing AST (I was leveling like a madman for the Amaro mount and I'd be lucky if I got teamed up with an AST once a day) unlike there (in JP DCs) where AST are but extinct, so just imagine.

[Almostward]

Basically hes saying we dont care about the many who we have made mad. We only care about those who agree with us. Deal with it.

[Brandedblade]

We've got this gem:



Perfectly fine to please the new ones but a middle finger for the old guard, welp.

Yall are proving his point. Someone is always going to he displeased.