Thread: Astrologian 5.0 Discussion

Originally Posted by Boomsmash

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I know it wasn't directed to me but!

1: I actually do and Paladins do use a lot of tp, so do warriors, but they usually stop at half since they don't want to use all of their tp. I actually use tactician a lot in dungeons. It does make a difference but barely. And if dps really don't know how to aoe without just blowing out all of their tp+invigorate, lousy tp regen will not help them (this includes goad AND tactician, they can not outlast aoe spam that uses tp AT ALL)

2: Less damage is good, using something that barely does it, other than steroidbole, is not really worth it. And you shouldn't hold a really buffed up bole just for that Tank buster. Fights usually have more than one and you just holding bole for that cases still makes you play with less cards in the end. As i said, you have essential dignity, which works FINE with tanks getting a little more damage and no tank will just die on a buster if they do what THEY have to do. Also: Sch just use excog, they don't need to heal, WHm just use tetra. Just essential+Abenefic them, you have an instant heal with Regen/shield on it

3: Yeah i did, on all 3 healers, in 24 mans where i ressed more than my team while also keeping them alive. And you know what. Try getting a super ewer in that case other than you holding on to it just in case it happened to justify never using a lot of cards because you always needed to have that super ewer ready. WHat do i do? Lightspeed+Lucid dreaming if both are off cooldown and i extend those 2. Works fine usually. I know other asts rarely extend their lightspeed/lucid for some reason but i always do it given the chance(with cards of course). But if dps always think they have to instantly die before you can heal them even if you tell them to wait with actions till they get healed, they can wait before wasting my mp even more. And if fights have an enrage, if everybody dies left and right, it's usually just a lost cause if they just die again after you use lb3.(not in content where you are overgeared as hell and can go make a sandwich in the meantime)

4: I do like Spear/arrow because they at least do something, i like making blms go fast.

It's still so niche uses where it implies that your co healer does absolutely nothing and can't just thin air/Lucid/Aetherflow/Lightspeed for a little recovery in case they died themself. Most healers need only 1 heal to heal a tank after tankbusters, too and mitigating damage is still GOOD. But you can do it on demand and not rng your way around it to justify uses for aoe boles, which have their potency reduced, too. And using superboles is just a waste too.

On a fun note, i always make fun of how i become a resbot in case i need to res a lot.

Originally Posted by Cheremia

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1. This is a bizarre comment in general; I've never had a PLD stop at half when they could easily stop at 1/10th, since you don't need more than that for your rotations due to its regen speed, and it regens fast enough out of combat for the next wall-to-wall pull that you're not going to be wanting for your initiate. Also, when used appropriately (i.e. at half TP), Goad and Tactician make a tonne of difference to AoE pulls, as does Spire. If your issue is that Spire still isn't effective enough for your personal taste, surely the solution is to buff it, not to remove it entirely.

2. Duration Bole is useful in boss fights generally, not just for tank busters. Potency Bole is ideally deployed, not for tank busters, but for large pulls, since it gives you more leeway to throw out a few Gravity casts after Lightspeed. I've done a few min-IL runs that simply wouldn't've been possible without a potency-buffed Bole. I still get a rush of excitement when Bole shows up on my draw, even if I end up burning it or Crowning it.

3. I've never held onto a Ewer "just in case" personally, but there have been tonnes of times--especially in the recent Ivalice raids--where my cohealer simply hasn't healed at all, and I've relied on Lightspeed, Lucid, and been struggling for mana regardless. I have two friends who main BLM whose staggered Mana Shifts have helped, but I've absolutely been praying for a Ewer card over a Balance because it'd've been more situationally useful at that time. Balance is useless when everyone is too (almost-) dead to make use of it.

4. My favourite class to throw an Arrow on is MNK. Greased Lightning who?

A more general comment - just because the buffs aren't game-changing doesn't mean they're not useful. I've always felt the difference when I use my cards, or when I have a card used on me.

Originally Posted by Suishouhime

1. This is a bizarre comment in general; I've never had a PLD stop at half when they could easily stop at 1/10th, since you don't need more than that for your rotations due to its regen speed, and it regens fast enough out of combat for the next wall-to-wall pull that you're not going to be wanting for your initiate. Also, when used appropriately (i.e. at half TP), Goad and Tactician make a tonne of difference to AoE pulls, as does Spire. If your issue is that Spire still isn't effective enough for your personal taste, surely the solution is to buff it, not to remove it entirely.

2. Duration Bole is useful in boss fights generally, not just for tank busters. Potency Bole is ideally deployed, not for tank busters, but for large pulls, since it gives you more leeway to throw out a few Gravity casts after Lightspeed. I've done a few min-IL runs that simply wouldn't've been possible without a potency-buffed Bole. I still get a rush of excitement when Bole shows up on my draw, even if I end up burning it or Crowning it.

3. I've never held onto a Ewer "just in case" personally, but there have been tonnes of times--especially in the recent Ivalice raids--where my cohealer simply hasn't healed at all, and I've relied on Lightspeed, Lucid, and been struggling for mana regardless. I have two friends who main BLM whose staggered Mana Shifts have helped, but I've absolutely been praying for a Ewer card over a Balance because it'd've been more situationally useful at that time. Balance is useless when everyone is too (almost-) dead to make use of it.

4. My favourite class to throw an Arrow on is MNK. Greased Lightning who?

A more general comment - just because the buffs aren't game-changing doesn't mean they're not useful. I've always felt the difference when I use my cards, or when I have a card used on me.

As a monk main I have to ask.. WHY ARROW??? I can count only ONCE where I was happy for arrow.... and that one time I was messing with my opener. The only cards I wanted or needed as a monk was ofcourse... The Balance, sometimes Spire... and that's sometimes. But not anymore since no more TP and spear. Out of those only the damage up ones I wanted. why do astros give monks ARROW? I can see nin, but monk? Really? I feel like thats a troll or punishment.

The sign system itself might be good, it might need a little tweaking.
We don't know, i have been saying that divination may need ashorter cooldown to actually be worth something.
Or randomize the seals on each card so it's harder to mix and match. That alone would make it a little more complicated since you never know what card/seal combination you might get. ANd i think that would be the best solution to people who want random.

The problem, however, is when you are forced to use cards that don't do anything. Arrow would be heavily prefered over Ewer in that case, ewer would be burn fodder to buff your next card.

Spire would just be foddered since you rarely need more healing other than maybe bigger shields, but not needed.
The "more healing" effect is exactly what whitemages don't want to have, yet get on everything and anything.

and Bole would yet again be foddered since balance is balance and balance is unbalanced.

Yes, they might have uses, i will never talk against it. But situational doesn't work if those situations don't happen.
I just have been fighting against just drawing ewers/Boles/spires for the last half of orbonne since i got nothing else and nobody needed any of that.

Biggest disappointment of the expansion. Every Astro makes different decisions, who to give what buff to, whether to spread and save it for later, royal road for a buff, which buff to use, or use it immediately. Now its just a build and spend for extra damage, so boring.

Really not sure what healer to play now. I started as a WHM, but they're just too simple. I even leveled an Arcanist to 30 to try Scholar, and was right in my assumption that i wouldn't like the pet mechanics. I normally dont post on these forums, but i wanted to put my vote forward in HOPE they may just revert to the current system in Shadowbringers.