About the new items on mog station

[Vidu]

How about we agree that the whole advertising stuff as exclusive and making it available later again is bad - but partially because the idea of those items being and/or staying exclusive is bad in itself already?

Should they be more honest in their direct advertising and not hiding behind fine print and double meaning? Yes, they should be.

But should items that are only obtained via money (and not by any ingame achievement - and I'm counting struggling through 1.0 as one...) stay or be exclusive? In my personal opinion: No, they shouldnt be. At least not forever. Its fine if they use them as an incentive to get people to buy things, so that they get certain ingame-items ahead of time. But I dont see a gain for anyone if those items are never made available again. And I dont see a loss either. So you paid 30$ for the stream only because you wanted the outfit - and you got the damn outfit (and a whole lot more than what the people buying it off the mogstation are getting now). If you buy something at a store and they have a sale on the same thing a month later, do you complain about that and try to get your money back?

I fully understand being upset about false advertisment - I absolutly dont understand this mindset of people being upset about it now. They didnt take an achievement or memories or anything away from you. And if you feel like you paid 18$ to much, I'd first like to remind you that you got a whole lot more and that if those 18$ are really hurting you, you might need to reconsider how you spend your money alltogether, honestly...

[Colt47]

They are already doing that - you get goodie bags at the fanfests stuffed with items that you cant get anywhere else, including the bag. (You can also get some exclusive items from participating in activies during the fanfest that you'd participate in anyways)

This year we got (at least in Paris) a very nice backpack, a metal korpukur-keychain, some buttons with different characters, a bunch of autotranslate magnets, a metal drinking bottle, a patch to put on your clothes shapd like a Gobbue, a bracelet, your "visitors pass" comes with a FFXIV-themed lanyard (this year it was job icons) and I might be forgetting something here... but yeah, for attending the fanfest you do get exclusive, physical items that were specially made for the fanfest and are, as far as I can tell, not available for sale anywhere (at least not by SE, someone might sell their goodie bag on ebay or something).

Well, if they are already doing that then there isn't much to say. Digital goods are not exclusive because there is no real barrier to reproducing the item. All they need is the data and a platform to sell it.

[worldofneil]

Well with the update to the Mogstation today, it unfortunately confirms that it was not in fact our "last chance" to get the minions. It was made out that if we wanted them we would have to pay £30 for each stream to get all of them.

Obviously we've had two years worth of use out of them, but I wonder how many people wouldn't have bought them if they had known they could get them 2 years later at a fraction of the price, despite what they were being told at the time...

Lesson of the day, if Square Enix says something is exclusive/last chance, it's probably not, so don't give them your money and wait for the cheap version.

Here's the email we were sent in August 2017:

[Noitems]

I seriously just don't get this argument. You get a chance to watch the Fanfest stream, two days of events for the game going over the upcoming expansion, diving into panels, a PLL live, cosplay contests, the friggin Piano/Primals concerts streamed(which they don't do anymore and I'd kill to see it), and AS A BONUS get these items included with your pass.

Its like you guys just ignore the rest of the cool things they have to offer and immediately just label the price of the in game items as the only thing you're getting.

Yeah the wording on the advertisement doesn't hold any truth now, but this stuff also happened with the moogle outfit from the Fanfest before it, just means that those who were either late to the game or even worse couldn't attend Fanfest due to issues can now obtain these items.

Also keep in mind those items are attached to your account forever, while anyone who purchases the glam fromthe mogstation can't reclaim it from Calamity Salvager unlike those who purchased the stream pass. So if you goof up and throw it out, you can only reclaim it once through the item restore and after that you're paying for it again.

I'm also speaking as a guy who went to Fanfest last year, got the Fenrir Bike/Tifa minion with the full knowledge these items would be made available for purchase later on. Legit the Friday Fanfest started I got an email saying my code was here, but also saw it was available for purchase on the mogstation the very same day. Was I mad? Nah, I'm happy other people can buy the items, there were other experiences there that made it justified I was able to be there in person.

[RoyalBeef]

I get it. When people feel like they have something exclusive and suddenly everyone has it ans runs around with it, it feels bad, bc we love having status symbols that label us "the realest of the real", same with people arguing that bandshirts should only be purchasable at actual concerts and nowhere else.
Just be honest about it, we understand ^^ Don't act as if having spent 30$ or so 2 years ago is what's making you angry. You just don't want every pleb owning and showing off the exclusive stuff you have, period :P

[Nyvara]

Exclusive items are bad, they create threads like this. then the forums get wet with tears and melting snowflakes.

Really you had the items for years that you paid for now you're angry that more people can pay for them too?

Items you got for rewards well again you had them for years and how many are really still activity using them and bragging about it?

[worldofneil]

I seriously just don't get this argument. You get a chance to watch the Fanfest stream, two days of events for the game going over the upcoming expansion, diving into panels, a PLL live, cosplay contests, the friggin Piano/Primals concerts streamed(which they don't do anymore and I'd kill to see it), and AS A BONUS get these items included with your pass.

Yes you do. But SE didn't focus on that in their advertising above. They only said about the outfits/minions. There's no mention of everything else you get, they literally only focused on telling us it was our last chance to get these items (and to hand over our money before the deadline).

Also keep in mind those items are attached to your account forever, while anyone who purchases the glam fromthe mogstation can't reclaim it from Calamity Salvager unlike those who purchased the stream pass. So if you goof up and throw it out, you can only reclaim it once through the item restore and after that you're paying for it again.

I'm afraid that's not actually correct. FanFest people (both in person and people buying the stream) got tokens to trade in for the outfit of their choice. You can't repurchase the outfit if you don't have the tokens (they don't sell it for Gil like other items). It was also why you had to buy two different Fanfest streams to get enough tokens to get both outfits.

I'm also speaking as a guy who went to Fanfest last year, got the Fenrir Bike/Tifa minion with the full knowledge these items would be made available for purchase later on.

Yes, but I don't really understand the point you're trying to make. SE told at the point they announced those FanFests that the items would be available on the Mogstation. However what I posted above stated that the items only came from purchasing the FanFest stream and it was your last chance to get them so you had to buy them now.

Don't act as if having spent 30$ or so 2 years ago is what's making you angry. You just don't want every pleb owning and showing off the exclusive stuff you have, period :P

I'm annoyed that I had to pay £90 for 3 minions that I've never even used because I collect the silly things and SE said that was the only way I could get them. I'd much rather have paid £15 later, if we had known this was an option, but at the time SE had assured us it was not.

Really you had the items for years that you paid for now you're angry that more people can pay for them too?

Why is everyone focusing on that rather than the point I'm trying to make. We were quite clearly told one thing by SE that turned out not actually to be true.

How can we believe anything from SE going forward?

[MPK]

Didn't even know they were previously exclusive. Time to buy it on both of my characters.

[Noitems]

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Notice how it says BONUS items? The idea is that you already know you're purchasing a ticket to the stream, and that they're giving you these a bonus. If they advertised it in the reverse order Glam/Minions -> Stream pass I'd understand your point. Also note that they don't say anything on the lines of "They'll be gone for good!" or anything on those lines. You're just putting words into their mouth to make it seem like they would never be obtained by anyone ever again. The moment the moogle outfit came to the mogstation or hell when those tidus/yuna costumes hit the Mogstation a month or so ago you should know that there was no one off for them.

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Okay so even if you couldn't purchase them from the salvager and lets give the example that someone bought all three streams to get all of the minions . You'd have enough for three sets all together. Three sets of items that can be stored in an armoire forever, that give you explicit notice the item cannot be reobtained if you discard them. On top of the one time recovery you might as well have them on your person forever at that rate since the steps someone would go to delete them would be pretty steep.

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Would you be able to point out to me where does it say you can ONLY get them through this promotion? I can clearly see it says last chance to get these bonus items but does it say but where does it say the word "Only"? Yeah it's the last time you can get them with purchasing the stream as a bonus but it doesn't say anything about them only being obtainable through this event.

The point I was trying to make is if I wanted to focus on just the minions/glam (which seems to be your main point) I could have absolutely just stayed home and purchased them as they came on the mogstation. Instead I used my ticket to take advantage of everything it had to offer as the mount/minion are just part of it. You didn't seem to talk about everything else that came with your pass, all of the benefits you got for purchasing it and instead harped over the bonus item you got because you assumed it would only be obtainable through the pass. You didn't purchase the "FFX Glamour/Minions + Bonus Fanfest Stream" promotion you purchased the "Fanfest Stream + Bonus Glamour/Minions" promotion. You're selling yourself short mate if you believe the glamour/minions legit make up the high price.

[worldofneil]

they don't say anything on the lines of "They'll be gone for good!" or anything on those lines. You're just putting words into their mouth to make it seem like they would never be obtained by anyone ever again.

Would you be able to point out to me where does it say you can ONLY get them through this promotion? I can clearly see it says last chance to get these bonus items but does it say but where does it say the word "Only"?

Sorry, but... what?

It literally says "last chance". Not once, but TWICE. It even says "Don't miss out" and "make sure to get all three if you want to complete your minion collection". They've also thrown in "exclusive to each region".

I don't really see how that can be possibly understood as anything else except that this is your LAST CHANCE to get these items. There's no conditions added to it to like "Last chance... until we add to the Mogstation".

I mean no disrespect with this question, but is English not your main language by chance?

Okay so even if you couldn't purchase them from the salvager and lets give the example that someone bought all three streams to get all of the minions . You'd have enough for three sets all together. Three sets of items that can be stored in an armoire forever, that give you explicit notice the item cannot be reobtained if you discard them. On top of the one time recovery you might as well have them on your person forever at that rate since the steps someone would go to delete them would be pretty steep.

I don't know what point you're trying to make here. If you discard either outfit (Fanfest or Mogstation), you cannot get it back without using your recovery or purchasing it again from the Mogstation. So there's literally no difference to either, once purchased if you discard there is no feature in the game to get them back.

The point I was trying to make is if I wanted to focus on just the minions/glam (which seems to be your main point) I could have absolutely just stayed home and purchased them as they came on the mogstation.

Well we could have, if we had been told this two years ago. But we weren't.

You didn't seem to talk about everything else that came with your pass, all of the benefits you got for purchasing it

Because SE don't either. See the advert they sent out. It doesn't even mention that you won't be able to view the streams past the expiry date, it literally only mentions the outfits and minions.

You're selling yourself short mate if you believe the glamour/minions legit make up the high price.

I don't think the price was worth it, but SE knows that there are collectors so they add minions (and orchestrion rolls) to items because they know they can then get a sale just based on that item.

Also personal request, if you're going to quote me, please actually quote me. Putting "snip" in defeats the point of a quote as I have no idea what you're referring to without having to scroll up and down.