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  1. #161
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    Phileas's Avatar
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    Dia Beetus
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    Behemoth
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Im at the acceptance stage with AST: levelled WHM...

    The job change into a dps buff slot machine just isnt what i enjoy doing and doesnt feel impactful enough to warrant the lower healing/dps potency.

    Whm dps is a snooze fest but its strong and it has all these instant cast aoe and single target heals that make healing less stressful than with the AST.
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  2. #162
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    Connor's Avatar
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    Limsa Lominsa
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    Character
    Connor Whelan
    World
    Odin
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 100
    I feel like as we’ve moved more into the expansion my enjoyment of healers has been steadily declining.

    Scholar was fun to start with, but at this point it’s just like Art of War / Broil III x100000 and maybe the occasional Recitation + Adloquium if I’m not feeling lazy and just Indomitability / Lustrate / Excogitation every like 40 seconds lol. I find that I’m spending more and more Aetherflow on Energy Drain, to the point that I barely even hesitate anymore about being irresponsible and using Aetherflow/Dissiation purely for damage. I love pretending I’m a support class and using Sacred Soil for the damage reduction, throwing out Physicks, keeping up DoTs and managing fairy abilities like the Fey Illumination buff. Using Repose to interrupt annoying enemy AoE (Sleep can interrupt AoEs that Stun can’t).I think of using Succor as supporting the party rather than creating a DPS opening. Though, I get that a playstyle like that is just flat out wrong lol, so I wouldn’t advocate doing it outside of like a trust party lol

    Astrologian, I find it pretty fun, but only when I pretend the card effects aren’t so uninteresting lol. At least you rarely ever have to interrupt casts because of all the 1.5 sec casts lol. I still kinda wish we had like Time Dilation and the old Celestial Opposition effect. Now when I use a card and Divination isn’t up, I just throw it on the corresponding role (or get tired of spamming Shuffle and put it on opposite role lol. Then it’s just like, ‘well that’s all the buffing I can do’, and then it’s just back to Malefic IV as usual

    Honestly I only have White Mage at level 75 but I find it the most boring of the three. It kinda confuses me that we have 3 Cure Spells, all of which are invalidated by Afflatus. Like why not just delete them and make Afflatus the filler Cure, since isn’t that exactly how you play it now anyway?
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  3. #163
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    NessaWyvern's Avatar
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    Nessa Goddessly
    World
    Ravana
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 96
    Quote Originally Posted by Mikhaill View Post
    I went from
    2.0 - SCH
    3.0 - AST
    4.0 - WHM
    5.0 - SCH
    My main went from:
    2.0 WHM
    2.3 SCH
    3.0 SCH
    3.3 AST
    4.0 AST/RDM
    5.0 RDM/SCH.

    I am leaning much more towards dps ever since they changed Ast cards. I really liked AST before then, I even went Ast for the feast PvP in HW, but now? Just feels too clunky. Plus I am getting annoyed about having to relearn what cards do every single expansion. -. -
    The other heals feel a bit more dull now also, so RDM is currently my main (And I'm learning BLM atm so I can do the big deeps)
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    Last edited by NessaWyvern; 08-27-2019 at 05:17 AM.

  4. #164
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    NessaWyvern's Avatar
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    Nessa Goddessly
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    Ravana
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    Conjurer Lv 96
    Quote Originally Posted by xxvaynxx View Post
    Must be a difference in times then because I see tanks in need for expert more.
    Also really? Healing isn't stressful? A mistake on healer part can also wipe the raid.
    Heck even a healer dying can lead to a wipe. Healers and tanks have it hardest imo.
    No he's right, healing isn't that stressful compared to the other classes atm. I cleared e1s going in blind on Scholar, hardly doing any dps, and just relying on callouts from the FC discord. It was supposed to be just a practice run, but we ended up clearing XD I expected really hard hitting mechanics, and more outgoing damage in which I would have to conserve my mana. That didn't happen, all I had to do was chuck a heal on the tank every now and then, and throw out a few AoE heals. Tanks and Dps had it much harder, with the dps checks and the tank swap, interrupts and using CDs to live through the multi-tank buster.

    Then again, that's just e1s, not sure what the other savages are like this expansion.
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    Last edited by NessaWyvern; 08-27-2019 at 05:53 AM.

  5. #165
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    Vulcann's Avatar
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    Matic Zanleer
    World
    Faerie
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 80
    i have but not because of the Scholar i am tired of this Wall to wall pulling and then blaming the healer when the group wipes. this mentality of tanks has killed healing for me. so i just play a tank and i pull how i want.

    and its funny i have actually got "thank you for not pulling wall to wall". so i am not the only one.
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  6. #166
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    Side-Eye's Avatar
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    Braedyn Geld
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    Lamia
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcann View Post
    i have but not because of the Scholar i am tired of this Wall to wall pulling and then blaming the healer when the group wipes. this mentality of tanks has killed healing for me. so i just play a tank and i pull how i want.

    and its funny i have actually got "thank you for not pulling wall to wall". so i am not the only one.
    There are some dungeons in which I just accept that a tank pulling w2w means I need to use my CDs and any tricks I can for the level we're playing. For duties, nine times outta ten the trash pulls are more healing intensive than the boss fights.
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  7. #167
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    E4EO's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Character
    Samuel Wolcott
    World
    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    I heal less than I did but that's less because of the healer changes and more because I've healed 24/7 since I got the game (May 20th~) to the release of Shb so I could have a lvl 70 job.

    When Shb released all I wanted to do was try out new jobs because I played WHM to death and I got sick of it, I still play WHM just I'm having fun leveling up all these other jobs like SMN, CUL, and WAR to name a few.
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  8. #168
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    Saefinn's Avatar
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    Character
    Yesunova Hotgo
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 90
    Since quitting the job, I've given SCH a chance and now having it at level 80, I'm trying to enjoy it because I love SCH and I'd like to consider seeing it through. But even in Expert roulette I'm doing a lot more Art of War than needed and feels not very interesting, despite having a toolkit that I like, it just doesn't feel like I get to use it enough. I'm weighing whether worth seeing it through to tougher content, when I'm still gotta be doing roulettes to get gear, still gonna be doing lower stuff to help people out and so on. Sure I can move the goal post and say "maybe it's fun in Savage or EX" but there's a lot of content that is neither and that should not be the goal post for enjoyment and don't think it's worth that. So chances are I'll stick to my DNC.


    Either kill our downtime or make our downtime interesting and I'll happily return.
    Though making downtime is preferable, as the former would be a logistical nightmare to implement.
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    Last edited by Saefinn; 08-27-2019 at 08:35 AM.

  9. #169
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    Rilifane's Avatar
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    Esther Harper
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    Zodiark
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 90
    I'd prefer more intersting downtime aswell but I think for that to happen, they'd first need to adjust the healer kit because simply adding 2-4 new dps skills would cause button bloat.
    All three healers have skills that are extremely similar and have the same use, the only reason you don't just use one of them are the CDs of each skill.
    Looking at WHM for example:
    - CureII, Solace and Tetra are all 700 potency single target heals
    - Medica I, Rapture and Assize are all 300-400 potency aoe heals
    The only unique skills are Regen, MedicaII, Asylum and Benediction and Divine Benison.
    I think it would be really easy to get rid of 2-3 heals by adjusting cooldowns, potencies or addional effects (things like: MedII has its current potency and effect but if target already has the hot it healls with 300 potency instead). And in turn give us 2-3 new dps skills. Maybe a nice combo condensed into a single button, maybe something that can proc an additional dps skill from time to time, maybe something that applies a stacking buff to self that can be consumed for BOOM, maybe an additional dot.
    But I doubt they'll want to add additional skills, let alone dps skills, with the current amount of skills already in the game. Also tying anything other than pure dps to them won't happen either because they're careful not to enforce dps for healers and with things like mp management through dps they would do just that.
    Though I would certainly love to see some more active resource management.
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  10. #170
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    Side-Eye's Avatar
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    Braedyn Geld
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    Lamia
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Rilifane View Post
    I'd prefer more intersting downtime aswell but I think for that to happen, they'd first need to adjust the healer kit because simply adding 2-4 new dps skills would cause button bloat.
    If they cared about button bloat, DRAW and PLAY would be the same damned button.
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