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  1. #1
    Player
    Connor's Avatar
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    Limsa Lominsa
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    Connor Whelan
    World
    Odin
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 100
    I feel like as we’ve moved more into the expansion my enjoyment of healers has been steadily declining.

    Scholar was fun to start with, but at this point it’s just like Art of War / Broil III x100000 and maybe the occasional Recitation + Adloquium if I’m not feeling lazy and just Indomitability / Lustrate / Excogitation every like 40 seconds lol. I find that I’m spending more and more Aetherflow on Energy Drain, to the point that I barely even hesitate anymore about being irresponsible and using Aetherflow/Dissiation purely for damage. I love pretending I’m a support class and using Sacred Soil for the damage reduction, throwing out Physicks, keeping up DoTs and managing fairy abilities like the Fey Illumination buff. Using Repose to interrupt annoying enemy AoE (Sleep can interrupt AoEs that Stun can’t).I think of using Succor as supporting the party rather than creating a DPS opening. Though, I get that a playstyle like that is just flat out wrong lol, so I wouldn’t advocate doing it outside of like a trust party lol

    Astrologian, I find it pretty fun, but only when I pretend the card effects aren’t so uninteresting lol. At least you rarely ever have to interrupt casts because of all the 1.5 sec casts lol. I still kinda wish we had like Time Dilation and the old Celestial Opposition effect. Now when I use a card and Divination isn’t up, I just throw it on the corresponding role (or get tired of spamming Shuffle and put it on opposite role lol. Then it’s just like, ‘well that’s all the buffing I can do’, and then it’s just back to Malefic IV as usual

    Honestly I only have White Mage at level 75 but I find it the most boring of the three. It kinda confuses me that we have 3 Cure Spells, all of which are invalidated by Afflatus. Like why not just delete them and make Afflatus the filler Cure, since isn’t that exactly how you play it now anyway?
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  2. #2
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    E4EO's Avatar
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    Character
    Samuel Wolcott
    World
    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    I heal less than I did but that's less because of the healer changes and more because I've healed 24/7 since I got the game (May 20th~) to the release of Shb so I could have a lvl 70 job.

    When Shb released all I wanted to do was try out new jobs because I played WHM to death and I got sick of it, I still play WHM just I'm having fun leveling up all these other jobs like SMN, CUL, and WAR to name a few.
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  3. #3
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    Saefinn's Avatar
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    Yesunova Hotgo
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 90
    Since quitting the job, I've given SCH a chance and now having it at level 80, I'm trying to enjoy it because I love SCH and I'd like to consider seeing it through. But even in Expert roulette I'm doing a lot more Art of War than needed and feels not very interesting, despite having a toolkit that I like, it just doesn't feel like I get to use it enough. I'm weighing whether worth seeing it through to tougher content, when I'm still gotta be doing roulettes to get gear, still gonna be doing lower stuff to help people out and so on. Sure I can move the goal post and say "maybe it's fun in Savage or EX" but there's a lot of content that is neither and that should not be the goal post for enjoyment and don't think it's worth that. So chances are I'll stick to my DNC.


    Either kill our downtime or make our downtime interesting and I'll happily return.
    Though making downtime is preferable, as the former would be a logistical nightmare to implement.
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    Last edited by Saefinn; 08-27-2019 at 08:35 AM.

  4. #4
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    Rilifane's Avatar
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    Esther Harper
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    Zodiark
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 90
    I'd prefer more intersting downtime aswell but I think for that to happen, they'd first need to adjust the healer kit because simply adding 2-4 new dps skills would cause button bloat.
    All three healers have skills that are extremely similar and have the same use, the only reason you don't just use one of them are the CDs of each skill.
    Looking at WHM for example:
    - CureII, Solace and Tetra are all 700 potency single target heals
    - Medica I, Rapture and Assize are all 300-400 potency aoe heals
    The only unique skills are Regen, MedicaII, Asylum and Benediction and Divine Benison.
    I think it would be really easy to get rid of 2-3 heals by adjusting cooldowns, potencies or addional effects (things like: MedII has its current potency and effect but if target already has the hot it healls with 300 potency instead). And in turn give us 2-3 new dps skills. Maybe a nice combo condensed into a single button, maybe something that can proc an additional dps skill from time to time, maybe something that applies a stacking buff to self that can be consumed for BOOM, maybe an additional dot.
    But I doubt they'll want to add additional skills, let alone dps skills, with the current amount of skills already in the game. Also tying anything other than pure dps to them won't happen either because they're careful not to enforce dps for healers and with things like mp management through dps they would do just that.
    Though I would certainly love to see some more active resource management.
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  5. #5
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    Side-Eye's Avatar
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    Braedyn Geld
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    Lamia
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Rilifane View Post
    I'd prefer more intersting downtime aswell but I think for that to happen, they'd first need to adjust the healer kit because simply adding 2-4 new dps skills would cause button bloat.
    If they cared about button bloat, DRAW and PLAY would be the same damned button.
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  6. #6
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    Sloprano's Avatar
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    Quilia Labro
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    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Rilifane View Post
    I'd prefer more intersting downtime aswell but I think for that to happen, they'd first need to adjust the healer kit because simply adding 2-4 new dps skills would cause button bloat.
    It's curious as this seems like a problem they created themselves on for example Scholar. Instead of introducing new traits on shields, fairy and aetherflow worked, or the other healers unique mechanics, they came up with entirely new skills that seemingly had to fit no matter what. Certainly doesen't help they relegated the remaining fairy skills of the pet hotbar, leaving it with 10 free slots that are just sitting there.

    Stranger even is the longer silence from SE with barely a word about any of the healers. 5.08 came and went with no healer changes or mentions. Just gonna keep on seeing if any chance presents itself again to get the questions across here.
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  7. #7
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    Synaesthesia's Avatar
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    Character
    Nime Nisime
    World
    Brynhildr
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 80
    I haven't stopped healing, but I'm sort of winding down on playing altogether now.

    I started the game in Stormblood, reached Scholar as fast as I could and played it until the end of the game. It was fun doing story. You could lay down shadow flare, spread some dots around, dancing with your opponents around the bubble, soloing was fun.. I never even played Summoner. Healing was great, too, the fairy was really responsive and it was fun to practice positioning it and working as a team.

    Then I switched to Astrologian. Being able to work with what you got in the card system was really fun, so was lining up all kinds of different buffs with time extensions, choosing an opportune time to stack up a bunch of stuff or stop a fight with the stun you had..

    I feel like the tactical play and fun of both classes has been severely reduced. They're still effective to play as healers, but there's a distinct lack of depth and variety in gameplay. They're not classes I feel like I can play for years and years anymore. Astrologian was so amazingly fun.

    I've tried playing Dancer and Red Mage to find something new, but healing with these classes that had unique gameplay elements is what was really interesting.. On top of that, the content I really liked to play like Orbonne Monastery is now "old stuff" and there's nothing to replace it with yet. Actually, there's just very little end game content.. A few Edens per week, 3 level 80 dungeons.. Combine that with the hollowed out healers, and I just am not enjoying this expansion as much as the older game. I think if there's no real response from them on the gameplay issues soon, and nothing new in 5.1, it's going to be time to move on.
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  8. #8
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    DiznypKC's Avatar
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    Tehryn Alexandyr
    World
    Behemoth
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    I’ve hit that point where I see all of the Hero in Need: Healer in DF, my hand hovers over it, then I just go “nah.”

    I would currently rather wait for 15 minutes as Dancer than go into expert as a healer. ╮(︶︿︶)╭
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  9. #9
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    KanameYuuki's Avatar
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    Character
    Yuuki Kaname
    World
    Faerie
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 80
    My Sub is going to end soon, won't re sub anymore, I liked to do progress as a healer and I got bored to tears with all 3 of them, gonna keep an eye on the main patches notes but I don't have any high hopes for any improvement to any of them, especially AST who I loved but now is long gone, probs will sub back after 5.3-4 just because of the NieR Collaboration otherwise I wouldn't even bother until 6.0.
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  10. #10
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    Duvvvv Starflux
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    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 100
    not really, but I leveled up SCH to 80 first, and would probably catch up with AST and WHM soon. I considered myself AST main for most of SB, but I generally just like to play casters/support classes. can't say I truly enjoy healing recently, but I don't hate it enough to just focus on DPS
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