Question for healers about GNB

[Pepsi_Plunge]

If I want to use Superbolide tactically for a big pull, I announce it to the healer beforehand so they know what is coming. Otherwise I just pop it if I ever should fall below 10%, because at this point it is a safty net and the healer has to heal me up anyway.

But most times I simply don't need it.

[Tlachtga]

You should pair up cds with same cooldowns on big pulls. Rampart and Camouflage both are 90s. Nebula and Arm's Length are both 2mins. Throw in Aurora and Heart of Stone whenever.

Don't wait til critical hp to pop Superbolide if it comes to that. The longer you wait, the higher chance you have of getting a benediction and wasting it

If you're physically unable to heal a tank without Benediction/Lustrate/etc., git gud.

its called being efficient with our kit. Using ogcd heals and using gcds for damage IS "gittin gud"

[Pepsi_Plunge]

You should pair up cds with same cooldowns on big pulls. Rampart and Camouflage both are 90s.

You really shouldn't. If you use them at the same time you run out of CDs very quickly. Also you don't need to. You can use Rampart and Nebula alone just fine. HoS with the short cooldown is usually a good CD to throw in between the bigger ones. Aurora should be on CD anyway when you are standing in the huddle and taking constant dmg. Usually I start with Nebula on a big pull, when Nebula runs out I pop arm's length and heart of stone together until HoS runs out. Afterwards I pop Rampart, then Camouflage. If I still need more because DPS is really low or something like that, HoS is ready again.

If you have a WHM with holy-spam you can even start with HoS while the mobs are on stun anyway, then Nebula (10s) followed by Rampart (20s) and a second HoS [now ready again] for more CD-efficiency. Throw in arm's length when the holy-stuns wears off.

Don't wait til critical hp to pop Superbolide if it comes to that. The longer you wait, the higher chance you have of getting a benediction and wasting it

And if you use it to early you waste a lot of HP and safty-time. It depends. Usually I don't plan to use it anyway, because most of the time you don't need it [you may use it tactically, but in this case you can announce it before the pull] so it's more or less a safety-tool if my hp hits critical amount. And then it's better to risk wasting a benediction than to die to a PUG healer dreaming or netflixing or whatever.

[Rilifane]

People claim to not like healing GNB because of Superbolide and they pretend that every GNB spams it as soon as it's available. Just like how they insist that every PLD uses Clemency as much as physically possible in order to waste their heals.

Maybe healers shouldn't let their tanks be at 10% while they're still DPSing, and maybe they wouldn't use Superbolide so much. Also: in like 90% of content, who cares if they waste an oGCD because the tank used Superbolide right after. Server ticks and ping are a thing, and as every Good Player has ever said to me, "No one died, so who cares."

If you're physically unable to heal a tank without Benediction/Lustrate/etc., git gud.

Someone is asking for advice to play more efficiently and even wants to hear other role's point of view and you just say "who cares?". What's with that attitude? You're just coming across as salty here.

If a GNB uses Superbolide when at 10% or lower while I'm still dpsing, I'd call it efficiency. Same as timing Bene that it hits at really low HP. Or utilizing Bene/ Lustrate/ ED in general. Caring about your own efficiency is "gitting gud". So let him and everyone else who asks for advice, different point of views and is open for criticism/ improvement "git gud", alright?

[Tlachtga]

You really shouldn't. If you use them at the same time you run out of CDs very quickly.

Running out of cds isn't an issue unless its still the first pull (in which case you should adjust because your group isn't great)

Most dungeons have at best two mass pulls before each boss. The ones that don't will have small pulls instead, with which your fluff cds will suffice.

Also you don't need to.

You technically don't need to pop any cds, but we're trying to help out the healers as much as possible here.

You can use Rampart and Nebula alone just fine.

That's going to be heavily dependant on how good your group is, because Rampart alone in a mass pull is nowhere near enough, unless you're being babysitted.

You can make a case for the 30% alone, if the group dps is good. I'd still rather just throw up Arm's Length anyway.

And if you use it to early you waste a lot of HP and safty-time.

You get the 8s of invuln regardless. I'd rather burn 30k hp and have the pull succeed than min-max my Superbolide usage (which it shouldn't really come down to in the first place anyway)

[KanameYuuki]

Don't forget to use Heart of Light too, not just for party damage, it is yet another self CD.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

Running out of cds isn't an issue unless its still the first pull (in which case you should adjust because your group isn't great)

Most dungeons have at best two mass pulls before each boss. The ones that don't will have small pulls instead, with which your fluff cds will suffice.

It depends on the dungeon and the group. Sure, when you go in an older Dungeon with overgeared people you can burn your CDs all you like (but you don't need to anyway). But with undergeared people or in Expert where most ppl are still near minimum item levels, you will need your CDs as DPS won't burn the mobs down that fast. Especially in that first big pull on Akadaemia.

Now, getting a bad or undergeared Healer is an whole other thing. But then you would probably stop doing big pulls anyway.

You technically don't need to pop any cds, but we're trying to help out the healers as much as possible here.

Yes. And helping your healer is best by reducing the incoming dmg constantly over the whole pull then beeing nearly invincible at the beginning and running out of CDs. Of course, if you know you don't need your CDs later or if you need to cover some time (for example the healer just died and is getting resurrected by the SMN) you can pop them indeed together, but I wouldn't give that advice as a general rule. Adjusting to the circumstances is one thing, but wasting CDs is another.

That's going to be heavily dependant on how good your group is, because Rampart alone in a mass pull is nowhere near enough, unless you're being babysitted.

That's why I start with Nebula. Until I reach Rampart there is also arm's length and the first mobs should be dead at this point so DMG will be lower. Always start with your strongest CD.

You get the 8s of invuln regardless. I'd rather burn 30k hp and have the pull succeed than min-max my Superbolide usage (which it shouldn't really come down to in the first place anyway)

It's simple math as the time it takes to actually burn my hp down by the mobs counts too. If I just pop my Superbolide we will get 8 seconds. If I wait 4 seconds longer before I pop it the party actually gain 12 seconds. The longer I wait, the longer I survive, more mobs may die as the healer can longer DPS and if the healing cast is coming in this 4 seconds, I may not even need SB at all.

Don't forget to use Heart of Light too, not just for party damage, it is yet another self CD.

Well, HoL only reduces magic damage so unless the mobs are attacking you with magic spells it doesn't do anything for you in big pulls. It's better to use this [and Reprisal] for the bosses.

[Roxas_Andrade]

Usually GNB gives me a jump scare with their invulnerability, specially when I see them dropping from 60% to 1... But it's nothing more than that...

The optimal use for this move is when you're about to die, but it's kinda unpredictable, so we understand...

[NessaWyvern]

As someone who plays SCH with Sheilds, and have a compulsory healing disorder that makes me heal before the tank hits half HP, it is pretty annoying when they pop Superbolide when they are at full HP, and have a crit shield on them

[Rosa_Frandlia]

As someone who plays SCH with Sheilds, and have a compulsory healing disorder that makes me heal before the tank hits half HP, it is pretty annoying when they pop Superbolide when they are at full HP, and have a crit shield on them

I assume that is after excog has gone off? Otherwise it can be a wasted excog if you have that on the tank. I've had a few clemency happy paladins waste my excog's as is. I also watch for it if my co-healer is a sch to see if it is on the main tank.

For gun breakers, worst is them using their superbolide right after I've given them a benediction. 3 minutes before another one available. Using it with excog on the tank isn't nearly as scary with its auto trigger at 50% HP.