SE better do something or the game will drop dead

[Biggs]

Another person twisting words to make it sound how they want to sound. Guess you didn't see the other post where I already clarified this (post 71), so I won't bother repeating myself. It's there is you want to read it.

...and no, getting all your classes to 50 and finishing all achievements does not mean you have completed the game since MMO's are ever changing... but if people did finish all the content (i.e. all quests all jobs to 50, all dungeons done, all primals complete etc) that was available to them before new content was released at least they would have a reason to complain versus others who have done a low percentage of the game and complain they have nothing to do.

While the game is good and tides me over, it is not fine the way it is... if it was fine the way it is then we wouldn't have SE building a whole new game on a whole new server, giving us something to do, until relaunch and hyping us for 2.0. Even SE admitted this game was a mess.

And this is coming from a person who has defended (and will continue too) this game since closed beta.

Now please don't read this as me jumping all over your case here, because honestly I see both sides of this argument. I used to have a character with multiple 50 jobs and a craft or 2 near 50 back around the middle of last year. When they announced the 2.0 relaunch I deleted it and stopped playing for a bit. I pay and play now on my current character, but only a few times a week. My fear was that I would become one of the many people I see now with all their combat jobs at 50 and several crafting jobs at 50 as well. I often wonder what people like them do now when they log on besides the 2 primal fights or trying to cram another piece of materia into an already crowded piece of equipment. I think that, regardless of how many "new" things come out in the next few patches, it is still going to be some time before we get to a level of content in this game that exceeds anyones ability to master outside of a month or 2 of work. I mean, as it is now, with the right help, you could easily complete all there is to do in this game in a month or 2, with the exception of crafting. Hell, since SE isn't really concerned with banning botting accounts right now (and i understand why, believe me) you could cheat a little and probably knock out most of your crafting jobs in that time too. Or at least get them all to the high 30's.

The fact is, we are in a holding pattern until 2.0 drops. While I think there will be loads of new things to see or do once the new client finally drops, I think it will be sometime yet (2014 maybe) before this game gets to the same level FFXI was content wise after it had been released for the same amount of time. I think that anyone that has spent more than a few hours on it can see that being in a huge hurry to level everything right now is only going to mean that they will eventually run out of things to do.

Also, I think when people speak of adding more content to the game, what they really want is more jobs and an increased level cap. And we are still a long way out from that happening. I understand that we will get "jobs" next patch but, you won't be leveling them seperatly so what I am really refering to is more classes. I have been waiting for them to add muskateer to the game since the first time i stepped into the guild in LL. Also, with increased level caps ussually comes higher level instances and dungeons. We can only have 6 combat jobs for so long here before things start to feel stagnant to people. I understand WHY we are waiting, but that doesn't make it any easier :P Just my 2 cents.

[viion]

This thread is hilarious, shows that no matter how much SE define their exact content details and release schedules, people still seem to not understand and throw up incorrect information, when the facts are right in-front of us.

Not to mention, its a bit derailed.

[Xoo]

This thread is hilarious, shows that no matter how much SE define their exact content details and release schedules, people still seem to not understand and throw up incorrect information, when the facts are right in-front of us.

Not to mention, its a bit derailed.

What is it that's not being understood?

[knite23]

What is it that's not being understood?

well the people that disagree with the content or feel that their isn't enough content don't understand what content is or are monopolizing the word to fit their personal argument

people who argue Se has failed and is not delivering the expected content that they believe make this game comparable to others like swtor, wow, etc. lack the ability to not judge a game based on another franchises game that base themselves solely on battle content as majority of their content (which Se doesn't). also provide proof that their isn't applicable content in development that suits their personal preference

i have trolled alot in this thread for fun but seriously this game is like no other and i like it being slow pace, i love it being difficult (wish it was harder) and happy with the overall development of the game. the're games out there for everyone if FF14 isn't tickling your fancy go find another that does but i found mine. its just like a baby i want to be right here as it develops and grows. some of us play just to say we did this or that some to take a break from the real world others to support the franchise we've grown to love. whatever brings you to this game to each is own just remember that the supporters of this franchise will always be here to defend it and if you feel you got a good argument you better bring it cause if i read it i know i will <3

Karma 1 vs world 0

[knite23]

This thread is hilarious, shows that no matter how much SE define their exact content details and release schedules, people still seem to not understand and throw up incorrect information, when the facts are right in-front of us.

Not to mention, its a bit derailed.

and omg its premium virtue i just noticed that O.o your website is amazing you have 200% of my support

[Xoo]

well the people that disagree with the content or feel that their isn't enough content don't understand what content is or are monopolizing the word to fit their personal argument

people who argue Se has failed and is not delivering the expected content that they believe make this game comparable to others like swtor, wow, etc. lack the ability to not judge a game based on another franchises game that base themselves solely on battle content as majority of their content (which Se doesn't). also provide proof that their isn't applicable content in development that suits their personal preference

i have trolled alot in this thread for fun but seriously this game is like no other and i like it being slow pace, i love it being difficult (wish it was harder) and happy with the overall development of the game. the're games out there for everyone if FF14 isn't tickling your fancy go find another that does but i found mine. its just like a baby i want to be right here as it develops and grows. some of us play just to say we did this or that some to take a break from the real world others to support the franchise we've grown to love. whatever brings you to this game to each is own just remember that the supporters of this franchise will always be here to defend it and if you feel you got a good argument you better bring it cause if i read it i know i will <3

Karma 1 vs world 0

Ah, but this game certainly is like no other in the fact that it was released with very few ends in which to substatiate the need to go out and progress your character, save for the simple sake of grinding levels - if you find that experience fun. For those that don't mind it, or one of the few that actually look forward to it, what 'content' this experience amounted to was diminished with patch 1.18 and the onset of powerleveling and the linking system.

So you get there, to Lv50; Possibly you get all your jobs to Lv50 - and you do repeated Darkhold runs because there is an outstanding set of gear inside that fits the needs of all the jobs except Gladiator. Did you get it all? Let's say you did because you like the game, play often and want good gear. How much time (and headache, if you don't run with a static group) did that consume? For anyone, I can tell you it was days upon days. Come 90 days later, with 1.19, that gear is all for naught. The materia system. Twenty-four hours later, the question is, "What Darkhold?" - so it remains.

And for everyone with a Crab Bow +3? The dated gear/materia system and Ifrit. From these trends in development, I can't see how SE is even hopping on one leg as many times as they've shot themselves in the foot and their own attempts at content to the ground. Unfortunately, it hasn't been a single-action revolver, it's been a cannon that has taken players down with them.

This is why, in my opinion, I say they do not know what they're doing and do not hold much hope for 2.0. I doubt I'll even try it.

[Jennestia]

the question is, will these tings launch with 2.0 or some weeks/months after launch?

If you look at the time line they're beginning work on said content about now so it can easily launch with 2.0 unless they want to save it for an Expansion pack.

[Hayden]

Urg why do these threads keep popping up?

[Xoo]

Urg why do these threads keep popping up?

Because billing started and people are wondering what they're paying for.

[Renshi]

Your original argument was that "SE knows what the fuck they're doing", implying that the game would not fail, wherein I replied with a request for evidence. Being that A. The launch was a total failure due to the very pre-mature release of a major title; B. A high number of players had left the game within 5 months (and not returned) due to many of the game's shortcomings; C. Square-Enix has been doing this long enough to know better; D. They have a highly successful MMO title under their belt, and instead of importing something other than PC models from that game, they try to rewrite the book. IE: Fatigue system, Market wards, etc.

Isn't it just as closed-minded for you to look at the points I've just made and still remain absolutely positive that the game will not flop again? I'm not saying the game can't or won't do better in the future. What I'm saying is, is don't count your chickens before they've hatched with this company.

For starter, it's "SE knows what the f*ck they're doing".
Just think out of the box.
Being the CEO of Square-Enix, you wouldn't invest on a title that is destined to fail, rite? You want it to succeed. That's why they know what the f*ck they're doing; because they are going to rise FFXIV from the grave with a plan in mind. Therefore they know what the f*ck they're doing. Just please don't let me explain this wasting my f*cking time =)

(not related to your points)
A. If it's gonna fail, it's just money thrown in the bath tube.
B. The game, differently from the other failed games, is getting changes to the Core. We are not talking about games that have undergone failing periods trying to get up and putting the same sh*t again. They're putting something that will change the world of Final Fantasy XIV.

I don't know how somebody can get pessimist knowing all of this. Plus, we're getting more content in the future, and people likes content.
But at the end we'll see at 2.0 who is right between you and me =)