fate of emperor varis at the end

[Alleo]

I'm disappointed. The equivalent of 'no, u' as a comeback is rather pedestrian, don't you think? At any rate, you're incorrect! Garlemald isn't even my favourite faction in this game. My favourite characters aren't even Garlean, either. I just prefer bringing the facts to the table as they are established from the perspectives of the appropriate characters/factions to better counter the one sided arguments, manipulation of facts and moral grandstanding that goes on here.

It's pretty obvious that my posting style isn't super serious, too. Or at least it should be. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The only reason I even bother posting here these days is due to popular request. Most of my posts are over on the general discussion board, since there's less uptight and preachy folk over there. Not nearly as much tone policing, either I've noticed.

I'm not sure why many here cannot simply agree to disagree. It's not at all difficult, especially when it comes to subjective elements.

At any rate, I disagree with the idea that the characters listed above didn't get enough character development. They had plenty - enough to get a feel for their personalities and for those who were objective, they correctly deduced that there was much more to their motives. Yotsuyu didn't owe the world anything, either. She had to be stopped, though when someone is tormented in such a horrific manner then it isn't at all surprising that they lash out in response...especially if they are never shown a single mercy. Some victims of abuse do not turn out that way, though they're typically the ones who get help and ongoing support.

Well if you start by attacking people and posting that they are way too serious while simply discussion their views in a discussion forum then dont be surprised at some answers. I mean if you are not even serious why the need of such a sentence at all?

Also my answers before the last post werent even at you yet even after saying that you want to agree to disagree you still answered my post that I wrote to others. I am not forced to agree to disagree, I am on a discussion forum to discuss things and if I have enough I simply dont answer anymore. Until that I feel quite comfortable to answer peoples posts that are mostly also just pure discussion too.

Edit: So it means that you are just discussing certain positions just for being on the opposite side? Well good to know.

Minor note: Gaius didn't object to Black Rose on moral grounds, ie he didn't think Black Rose was somehow "too terrible" to use. He objected to Black Rose on "pragmatic" grounds, in that he thinks Black Rose is too deadly and indiscriminate. Presumably if there was a formulation of Black Rose that had a definite non-100% casualty rate, he would be far less opposed to it.

The same applies for Meteor: his objections to it were entirely because it killed everyone, or at least had a very high probability of killing everyone.
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You are right. Maybe calling it morality was a bit wrong there. But at least he has his code of "honor" and wants at least countries and cities to still be there to rule over. Of course in ARR he also still could not be left alone simply because he wanted to conquer Eorzea but he got is character development and thus he is at least someone I would call a nuanced, grey character. Someone that one could see working together with for a common goal. I am not sure if he gets to be leader later, I wish that position more on someone like Maxima, a Garlear that does not want further war.

[YianKutku]

You are right. Maybe calling it morality was a bit wrong there. But at least he has his code of "honor" and wants at least countries and cities to still be there to rule over. Of course in ARR he also still could not be left alone simply because he wanted to conquer Eorzea but he got is character development and thus he is at least someone I would call a nuanced, grey character. Someone that one could see working together with for a common goal. I am not sure if he gets to be leader later, I wish that position more on someone like Maxima, a Garlear that does not want further war.

True. Gaius would be what I would use for the example of "Lawful Evil", keeping in mind all the caveats about using D&D alignments (too simplistic, descriptive not prescriptive, so on and so forth). He's the example where the enemy of my enemy is not my friend, but at least we can work together for a certain goal without fear that he will backstab us in the middle of it. (Afterwards is another matter, but for the duration, no backstab.)

Honestly I would prefer it if the Garlean Empire were to be taken down in the course of the story, to be replaced by the Garlean Republic, as it was before Solus zos Galvus. One of the weaknesses of the FFXIV story is that it has trouble presenting nations without personifying them in their heads of state; even though Ishgard is now a parliamentary democracy, we still get Aymeric as the chief representative because it's easier for players to identify with individuals rather than bureaucracies.

So the best I can hope for is that someone (probably someone we know, due to player familiarity) will end up in an Aymeric-like position, where the actual government is made of many people in an institution, and the person who shows up at summits and negotiations just happens to be one of the members whom we get to interact with more, rather than the actual top dictator whose word is law, like an Emperor (or Merlwyb or Hien, for that matter). We've seen the weaknesses of a hereditary monarchy in the Garlean Empire, and it is only because the timeline won't actually advance due to time bubble that I believe Doma won't fall to the same issues.