Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[SturmChurro]

I assume it won’t be until a full live letter before a patch that we get another update about hairs or hats. Even then as much as I would love to see multiple new hairstyles released at once to free up some variety in selection I don’t think they have more than one or two planned. If Hrothgar end up getting any new hairs I’d be shocked but again I think they would only release a single new fur pattern at a time. I don’t like using or wearing armor that displays them though so if they do release more patterns they’re useless to me.

Yeah, that's how I see it too. They might release a few hairstyles here, and there over long periods of time, but I don't expect more than a handful. Maybe by next expansion if they don't end up releasing the genders - which even if they did they would also probably just be limited - we could get a big package update for them. Who knows, maybe they will surprise us. I have low expectations, I'd love to be surprised.

Hrothgar, the fur patterns last time I used the creator are super low res and kind of plain, you'd think those would be easy to implement. Hairs? Well, they would have to make an entire new face for that new hairstyle that would be locked to the face, since they decided to go that route. I'm sure an entire new face plus the hairstyle will take a considerable amount of time, plus all the other quality control that would go along with it. I don't expect any major updates for them for a long while yet, but again, maybe they will surprise me..

This isn't to mention my thinking that they are treating viera/hrothgar as a packaged deal, so even if they could get one updated faster than the other I bet it wouldn't get released until later when the other race's equivalent is finished - and probably implemented in a major patch.

[official_coconut]

I'd be really upset if the main reasoning behind limiting Viera is trying to keep it in line with Hrothgar. Vieras after all have normal shaped heads except for the ears, so it is unfair that we would have to wait for them to create a new Hrothgar face (that they'll probably have to pay to change into?) every time before Viera get anything. According to the JP lodestone the next live letter will be on September 15th, so we'll see what will happen then: https://jp.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...366bdb7b3243f7

[Komarimono]

Chances are getting slimmer depending on how you read the answer about Viera and Hrothgar in this thread.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-transcript%29

Question:

What was the most difficult aspect of adapting both Viera/Viis and the Hrothgar/Ronso into XIV's lore and story?

Banri Oda's Answer:

As for Viera, we took the origin setting from FINAL FANTASY XII as is and as much as possible without giving it sort of the "FFXIV interpretation" to it.
By having talks with (Yasumi) Matsuno-san many times who was in charge of the scenario of "Return to Ivalice", we kind of prevented giving the spoils to FFXIV's world. I would like to thank Matsuno-san.

As for the Hrothgar we didn't want to give the impression that this race just suddenly appeared in the world so we created a setting like a link towards the place go to so it doesn't feel like a sudden appearance. And also we touched upon the Hrothgar background in the Tales of the Storm so that it can be better understood by players.

So it's as I said way earlier in the thread, their lore is based on FFXII, so males are likely to be nill to none.

[official_coconut]

Wasn't there a lot of discussion about how Matsuno was talking about male Viera on twitter a few months back? If anything he seemed open to the idea but time and resources seem to be getting in the way of, well everything these days.

[Komarimono]

Wasn't there a lot of discussion about how Matsuno was talking about male Viera on twitter a few months back? If anything he seemed open to the idea but time and resources seem to be getting in the way of, well everything these days.

Well, that interview was with the head of lore, so... Why I found it far more important then what Matsuno says.

[WhiteArchmage]

If anything, being based on XII lore would actually make it MORE likely to have males. Since in Ivalice they just live in separate villages, in different zones of the forest (which we can't access since Lente's Tear basically guides us through a part of Golmore and out). Plus, XII's development was also troubled, since Matsuno had to drop out mid-way due to health issues, so if he planned to introduce the males in that game, it was out of his hands. The whole "lower birthrate than females" was invented for XIV and we know it was a development time issue and trying to please 2 subsets of the fanbase.

Basically, we're back where we've always been. Not a yes, not a no.

[official_coconut]

Oh yes the wonderful lore (starts up my Regalia) that we must protect (activates flight mode) at any and all costs (puts on frog suit)... If what I think is correct is when they did not have the resources that they wrote the lore after. I believe near the launch of Shadowbringers they added new lore to the Hrothgar character creator to explain their clans more so things are not really set in stone.



Looking far backwards, the races come and go to eorzea when dramatic events happen, such as the Au Ra coming when Doma fell. I think they could write more events such as those to justify the other genders or more races later on, such as for the Hummingways of the Moon, Burmecians, or even Genomes. Though if resources and time continue to be a problem I may as well switch my entire cast of characters into hyurs which have every feature still available (except facial hair that was available in the benchmark?) to them and forget about the other races.

[Komarimono]

If anything, being based on XII lore would actually make it MORE likely to have males. Since in Ivalice they just live in separate villages, in different zones of the forest (which we can't access since Lente's Tear basically guides us through a part of Golmore and out). Plus, XII's development was also troubled, since Matsuno had to drop out mid-way due to health issues, so if he planned to introduce the males in that game, it was out of his hands. The whole "lower birthrate than females" was invented for XIV and we know it was a development time issue and trying to please 2 subsets of the fanbase.

Basically, we're back where we've always been. Not a yes, not a no.

Non existent in FFXII except for one mention if Fran talks to one of the Viera, on how the males are sparse and mad in the head and muscular/stout.

Revenant Wings talked of cross breeding female Viera with other races and connected to the Ivalace lore. Hence Feol Viera.

So if they pull directly from FFXII lore, the men are crazy and barely to be found lol.

Let's hope that changes if they do ever try and add them, or would be quite awkward.

[Komarimono]

Oh yes the wonderful lore (starts up my Regalia) that we must protect (activates flight mode) at any and all costs (puts on frog suit)... If what I think is correct is when they did not have the resources that they wrote the lore after. I believe near the launch of Shadowbringers they added new lore to the Hrothgar character creator to explain their clans more so things are not really set in stone.



Looking far backwards, the races come and go to eorzea when dramatic events happen, such as the Au Ra coming when Doma fell. I think they could write more events such as those to justify the other genders or more races later on, such as for the Hummingways of the Moon, Burmecians, or even Genomes. Though if resources and time continue to be a problem I may as well switch my entire cast of characters into hyurs which have every feature still available (except facial hair that was available in the benchmark?) to them and forget about the other races.

They still stick to the lore for all story and race related things. Yes, tons of lore breaking items in game, doesn't detract from the fact that when things are story connected they strictly stick to the lore.

[official_coconut]

Crazy feral men? With leporine features on top of that? Sounds like the perfect troubled hero to add to my cast of ocs. I'm thinking that kind of character will go great with the Dark Knight Quests that go in and explore the player's psyche.