Dots and SkS/SpS

[cactuarzzzz]

How so?
Unless you're going for 2 extra gcds (Hakaze + Yukikaze + Hagakure) per 60 secs rotation (roughly 2700 skill speed) then 922 skill speed is all you need.

There is also 1700 skill speed threshold for 1 extra gcd rotation (Enpi) but I found that to be very clunky to do sometimes.

914 [2.44] and you will find it hard to keep buff on with aoe in big pull. You might also find it hard to Midare in the right time on salvage.

[mosaicex]

914 [2.44] and you will find it hard to keep buff on with aoe in big pull..

Not at all? Both Oka and Mangetsu refresh your haste and damage buff

Also how is 914 skill speed be considered 'too much'?

You might also find it hard to Midare in the right time on salvage.

No to this too. Can you actually give some example?

[cactuarzzzz]

Not at all? Both Oka and Mangetsu refresh your haste and damage buff

Also how is 914 skill speed be considered 'too much'?



No to this too. Can you actually give some example?

Not refresh.

[mosaicex]

Not refresh.

Extends by 15 seconds then. You only need 10.5 seconds to complete whole aoe rotation.

So what exactly is the problem?

[cactuarzzzz]

Extends by 15 seconds then. You only need 10.5 seconds to complete whole aoe rotation.

So what exactly is the problem?

I shoudl leave the thinking to you. Seem like you need to re do your math or maybe run the lv 80 dungeon with 914 sks and doing salvage.

[mosaicex]

I shoudl leave the thinking to you. Seem like you need to re do your math or maybe run the lv 80 dungeon with 914 sks and doing salvage.

I do run those plenty of times already. Though in case you actually need my help calculating the duration for you, here we go.

Fuga (2.12) + Oka (2.12) + Fuga (2.12) + Mangetsu (2.12) + Tenka Goken (2.12) = 10.6 seconds, even shorter if you have Meikyo Shisui available.

Now can you actually make your point?

[cactuarzzzz]

I do run those plenty of times already.

Now can you actually make your point?

And still mistook a refresh for 15 seconds and proclaim it with confidence.

[Vendalwind]

I shoudl leave the thinking to you. Seem like you need to re do your math or maybe run the lv 80 dungeon with 914 sks and doing salvage.

Thats not how adults argue dude. You want to make a claim you prove it. you dont get to make a claim and then leave the work of proving it to your opponent/ That literally is how most idiotic discussions in this world begin.

If you make a claim, prove it, link things, say things, math things yourself.

Even if your opponent is wrong.

Also ad hominem plea(s) citing your own savage clears is both petty and pointless.

On subject, thinking about break points for skill speed and specific rotations is very much a form of proper optimization, and many classes do it. Note this segment from the balance:
"Q: Why is looping important?
A: In order to minimise personal ability cooldown drift and maintain perfect alignment with raid buffs on intervals of 60/120/180 seconds it is important that our rotation allows us to use our 2 least flexible abilities - Meikyo Shisui and Tsubame: Gaeshi - as soon as they are available. Since Tsubame is on a 60 second cooldown we need to target a specific GCD tier to achieve a clean GCD cycle that comes as close to 60 seconds in length as possible.

Refer to http://bit.ly/Compendium-Loop for in-depth explanation.

For comparative purposes we always assume Y/G/K Meikyo and G/K Bana.

Viable SkS tiers for looping:
2.13 ( 28 GCD Loop ) - 812 SkS - requires 1 filler GCD
2.06 ( 29 GCD Loop ) - 1,624 SkS - requires 2 filler GCDs
1.99 ( 30 GCD Loop ) - 2,437 SkS - requires 3 filler GCDs
1.92 ( 31 GCD Loop ) - 3,249 SkS - requires 4 filler GCDs
1.86 ( 32 GCD Loop ) - 3,960 SkS - requires 5 filler GCDs

(Taking human error and server network into account allows for the slightly faster tier, e.g. 2.05, to be as viable as 2.06. Applicable to all listed tiers)

Filler Options:
1a) double-Yuki Meikyo - equals 1 filler GCD
1b) non-Yuki Meikyo - equals 1 negative filler GCD
2) Yuki-Bana - equals 1 negative filler GCD
3) Yatenpi - equals 1 filler GCD
4) Yuki-kure - equals 2 filler GCDs
5) Gekko-/Kasha-kure - equals 3 filler GCDs"
Oh look i cited a source where comprehensive math was done.

Additionally SAM is absolutely by no means the only class that cares about SkS/SpS.
BLM massively so, MNK still loves SkS with for the most part only ever single weaving, and they have to also try to hit specific tiers to enable ceratin optimised rotations such as the double true rotation. Even DRG do a bit. The highest potential dps SCH build right now is even SpS focused.
BRD and NIN care about keeping it low in current iteration.

Being belligerent and providing one word answers with obtuse statements that are not backed up by any source or calculation at all literally helps no one.

[cactuarzzzz]

Thats not how adults argue dude. You want to make a claim you prove it. you dont get to make a claim and then leave the work of proving it to your opponent/ That literally is how most idiotic discussions in this world begin.

If you make a claim, prove it, link things, say things, math things yourself.

Even if your opponent is wrong.

Oh, so this is where we are at now? You win, you win, mr. Expert roulette hero.

YES, THAT'S NOT HOW ADULTS ARGUE.

1.He's the one who start insulting when he lose credibility.

If Scientist provide a false thoery does that mean the job to correct it fall to everyone else? nope.

What you should do when that happen : Make a small apology when you spread the wrong info that you claim people should believe it. then you can start expecting civil conversation from me but if you ignore that/start insult me then you can forget about it.

DON'T TALK TO ME IF YOU DON'T AT LEAST HAVE IT IN YOU OR IF YOU FEEL WIN IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN PRESENT WHAT'S REAL.

Also ad hominem plea(s) citing your own savage clears is both petty and pointless.

I could even bring up the fact that you probably haven't even set foot in current savage yet still acted like know-it-all.

But I'm not petty enough for that.

I told him to re do savage because He need new testing so he can have the data from the real thing instead of the number that pop up in his head. And I like how you try to sound reasonable when you don't touch the fact that he use savage clear to insult me [when he doesn't even knew my real character]

Additionally SAM is absolutely by no means the only class that cares about SkS/SpS.
BLM massively so, MNK still loves SkS with for the most part only ever single weaving, and they have to also try to hit specific tiers to enable ceratin optimised rotations such as the double true rotation. Even DRG do a bit. The highest potential dps SCH build right now is even SpS focused.
BRD and NIN care about keeping it low in current iteration.

Being belligerent and providing one word answers with obtuse statements that are not backed up by any source or calculation at all literally helps no one.

I didn't talk about Spell Speed I said SAM needed Skill Speed the most and it mean among dps.